Who killed jesus?

The more I read about religion, the more bizarre it sounds.

Why has there never been a modern day Jesus! Why only then! What a crock of crap.

Given Jesus is the son of God, it would be a little bizarre if the creator of the universe moved to a council flat and starting popping out divine inspirations presumably for tax credit purposes. In actual fact, the second coming of Christ is supposed to herald the end of the world!

The message of Christianity is for the many all to become more like Christ, not for many Christs to come down and fix everything. There are many examples of ordinary people who reached legendary status because they believed in Jesus and fought for him; mother theresa, martin luther, john wesley etc.

So I ask you if you are so desperate to wait for a modern day Jesus to come and sort out this mess, what are you doing to help?
 
You're crying because I thought it was a good and informative video that doesn't agree with other stuff on the internet? That seems a little over the top. :p

No, I am crying because you think it is a good and informative video. I weep for the youth of our future...

As you go on and say "may not be completely accurate". Well, it isn't at all accurate. Just the usual half truths and distractions. And then you have hordes of people that hang on to the words of this video and many others like it as if they are gospel truth. It's sad that so many seem to lack basic analytical skills and logical thought that would allow them to make their own minds up and instead swallow this sort of stuff. I wouldn't even mind so much if people thought "Hmm, that is interesting, let me check some facts on it" but no, far too much to ask.

Oh, and all his sources are cited in the video description. Of course, those may not be completely accurate either. But such is the way of the world. Believe what you want to believe and you'll get along just fine. :)

Indeed believe what you will but be prepared to have that belief criticised if you decide to share it with others.
 
Except of course number 1 hasn't actually happened. Not including the palestinian territories there are still about 24% non jews in Israel. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good end of the world prophecy. :)

Not overnight no, have you not seen how the israeli controlled territories have slowly but surely been expanding over the past 50 odd years?

Can anyone stand up too or question Israel? No chance.

I don't expect to be able to convince you of anything, but is it fair for me to say just wait and see? Power is returning to the holy land after thousands of years, and it seems Israel is set to take over from the USA as the next ruling state in the world. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Those who have completely left religion, and think now that they know better because we have scientifically advanced have been deceived by the life of this world. The process of eradicating religious belief from the world has been on going and it has worked, because most the religions today have been corrupted to some degree. Even Islam which I follow, has been divided into many different sects.

Then there's the inconvenient reality that Jesus was a Jew and his followers were Jews. But hey, why let reality get in the way of smearing Jews?

I think you completely missed my point. In Islam we are taught that a prophet was sent to every nation. Jesus pbuh himself confirms he was only sent to 'the lost sheep of Israel', therefore you have no place living in England in the year 2010, saying you follow Jesus pbuh.

About this prophet to every nation thing...what happened to the many thousands of prophets? I mean, at that time there were dozens of nations on Britain alone, and that's a pretty small island.

According to Islam there were over a hundred thousand prophets sent, each to a different region/nation/group of people, the last of them all being Muhammed pbuh whose message (the Quran) was for the whole of mankind. It is for this reason that when Jesus pbuh returns, he will not return as a prophet, nor will he return with any new religion or any new message, but he will return as one of the ummah of Muhammed pbuh.

Why do people keep putting (pbuh) after his name? Just makes me lol every time. He's not going to take your pocket money away from you if you don't say it...

It's only as a mark of respect. I understand if you don't believe in it and therefore don't wish to use it :) but it is easy enough to speak politely so that those of other faiths/beliefs are not put off contributing to the discussion because of some people who just slander/abuse without a second thought.
 
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Not overnight no, have you not seen how the israeli controlled territories have slowly but surely been expanding over the past 50 odd years?

And have you seen that the number of palestinians is also growing? Not to mention that Israel has handed back quite a bit of territory too. Or do you ignore that because it doesn't fit in with your prophecy? You stated that 1-3 had already happened, which is untrue.

Can anyone stand up too or question Israel? No chance.

Lots of people question Israel on a regular basis, hence the (slight) opening of the blockade restrictions on Gaza after the debacle that was the aid ship storming. no one in the local region can stand up to Israel but that is due to US military support, without that Israel would be in much more serious trouble. Thankfully for Israel though the surrounding states find it useful to have a bogeyman on the doorstep, helps them keep their own people in check.

I don't expect to be able to convince you of anything, but is it fair for me to say just wait and see? Power is returning to the holy land after thousands of years, and it seems Israel is set to take over from the USA as the next ruling state in the world. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Any chance you can give us some timescales? We have been waiting and seeing for quite a while and so far there is little sign of Israel taking on Superpower status. Maybe it should aim for G20 or G8 status first?
 
There are many examples of ordinary people who reached legendary status because they believed in Jesus and fought for him; mother theresa, martin luther, john wesley etc.

Mind you, there are also many examples of ordinary people who reached legendary status who didn't believe in Jesus or fought for him. Then there are also many examples of people who did terrible and horrific things because they believed in Jesus and fought for him.

I don't believe , but I am open minded, I am willing to believe. All I want is categorical proof. Doesn't need to be anything major, could just be something really minor like asking for the pen to roll off my desk if god is real and it happening at that moment. Unfortunately , so far in my life I have seen nothing which shows me that there is a god and quite a lot which makes me think there isn't a god ( although all of those things are conveniently waved away as being part of some divine plan that I can't understand.... hmmm )
 
And have you seen that the number of palestinians is also growing? Not to mention that Israel has handed back quite a bit of territory too. Or do you ignore that because it doesn't fit in with your prophecy? You stated that 1-3 had already happened, which is untrue.

The number of palestinians compared to what was originally there before Israel was created is not growing at all, it is far far less. Israel handing back land??? They take 10 blocks and then hand back 1 publicly. That's not handing back land, overall the israeli territories have been increasing not decreasing since the creation of Israel.

Lots of people question Israel on a regular basis, hence the (slight) opening of the blockade restrictions on Gaza after the debacle that was the aid ship storming. no one in the local region can stand up to Israel but that is due to US military support, without that Israel would be in much more serious trouble. Thankfully for Israel though the surrounding states find it useful to have a bogeyman on the doorstep, helps them keep their own people in check.

I totally agree that without the US, Israel would not be in the position it is today. Lets not forget Great Britain who have also played a massive part in Israel being there, the USA more so in actually arming Israel.

The thing is, everything I say is supported by my religious beliefs therefore, I feel it is impossible for you to look at it without being very critical of everything I say before I have even said it. You think I am out to bash Israel but I am not because I recognise it was created by Zionists not jews, there being a massive difference between the two. Many many jews also oppose the actions of Israel, as do I, because I recognise this current state of Israel to be a godless, arrogant, imposter state, and absolutely nothing like the holy state of prophet David and prophet Soloman pbut.


Any chance you can give us some timescales? We have been waiting and seeing for quite a while and so far there is little sign of Israel taking on Superpower status. Maybe it should aim for G20 or G8 status first?

The events I already mentioned have been occuring over the past 60-70 odd years, even more infact? Therefore, it is also extremely difficult to put a timescale on things, but based on events as they currently are I would estimate WITHIN the next 7-8 years, there will be a total collapse of the US dollar and at around the same time Israel will replace the USA as the ruling state in the world.
 
I find it funny how cristianty has a more 'bloody' past but they seem to be the one of the calmest regions recently. They not cause a major war for ages now!

Come on Benedict XVI, those scientologists have been mocking you ;)
fo sho?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301688.html
GWB stated almost everything he did as being an action on behalf of God, and that God had asked him to do most of it. For all you can forgive him confusing the words God and Dad maybe, it still makes pretty much all his conflicts fairly religion based wars.
 
I would estimate WITHIN the next 7-8 years, there will be a total collapse of the US dollar and at around the same time Israel will replace the USA as the ruling state in the world.

Now thats a big claim, thing is, putting a timeframe on anything is pointless really. I mean nobody here is going to remember in 8 years time that you said this and pop up to say " ha ! So much for you, you were all wrong !" When it doesn't happen. This forum will quite possibly not even be around. It would be a different ballgame if you said next year but 8 years is large enough a timeframe that it renders the claim pointless in terms of correct/incorrect comeback.

I might as well say you are wrong and that all the signs show that the next ruling state won't be Israel , that the next ruling state will be Namibia and to mark my words in 8 years time Namibia will be running the world.

Nobody in 8 years time will prove me wrong because it will have been long forgotten.

I'm a kind of told you so person, there is very few things I enjoy as much as proving to someone's face that they were wrong about something, I get a kick from it and a further kick from mentioning it at every opportunity afterwards, but 8 years.... bah, that wrecks my chances of crowing that I told you so :)
 
The number of palestinians compared to what was originally there before Israel was created is not growing at all, it is far far less. Israel handing back land??? They take 10 blocks and then hand back 1 publicly. That's not handing back land, overall the israeli territories have been increasing not decreasing since the creation of Israel.

I think you need to have a look at your history books again. The return of the Sinai Peninsula ring any bells? As for population figures, not including the arabs living in Israel the current population of the West Bank and Gaza is approx 4m. The population of the entire Palestinian Mandate in 1922 was about 750,000. Palestine has seen a 30% increase in population in the last 10 years. Both the West Bank and Gaza have higher growth rates than Israel.


I totally agree that without the US, Israel would not be in the position it is today. Lets not forget Great Britain who have also played a massive part in Israel being there, the USA more so in actually arming Israel.

So why do you think that without external support Israel will suddenly blossom into Superpower status?

The thing is, everything I say is supported by my religious beliefs therefore, I feel it is impossible for you to look at it without being very critical of everything I say before I have even said it.

I am not being critical because of your religous beliefs, I am being critical because the facts don't add up.

You think I am out to bash Israel but I am not because I recognise it was created by Zionists not jews, there being a massive difference between the two. Many many jews also oppose the actions of Israel, as do I, because I recognise this current state of Israel to be a godless, arrogant, imposter state, and absolutely nothing like the holy state of prophet David and prophet Soloman pbut.

I couldn't care less about who created it, why it was created or why you dislike it. God knows Israel gives lots of reasons why not to like it. I think your views are certainly coloured by some very common lies and misconceptions about Israel spread via your religious views but I am not arguing against your religion, I am arguing against the "facts" you are presenting.


The events I already mentioned have been occuring over the past 60-70 odd years, even more infact? Therefore, it is also extremely difficult to put a timescale on things, but based on events as they currently are I would estimate WITHIN the next 7-8 years, there will be a total collapse of the US dollar and at around the same time Israel will replace the USA as the ruling state in the world.

So why Israel and not the masses of other countries more powerful than it both politically and economically (50 countries have a larger GDP)? There is nothing to support Israel being the next superpower.
 
I saw someone mention earlier that Jesus was real whether you like it or not, yet I have always wondered how people know this to be true.
I watched a Horizon documentary ( i know not entirely a perfect example, but more research than I can do) about the finds of another book of the old testament (or several) written by Peter, which suggest no mention at all of a man called Jesus, and that a lot of scholars don't actually believe he existed.
I know little on the subject so I'd be interested to know what particular pieces of evidence pre-bible writings actually make mention of the man? Is there census's running back 2000years? Is there a particular scroll or some book that makes this true.
Thanks.
 
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Show me that he existed, then we can talk about who killed him. ;) :p

That is a pretty silly argument. I can ask "Who killed Heracles?" knowing he is fictional. His fictional status doesn't stop your from answering the question.
 
Therefore, it is also extremely difficult to put a timescale on things, but based on events as they currently are I would estimate WITHIN the next 7-8 years, there will be a total collapse of the US dollar and at around the same time Israel will replace the USA as the ruling state in the world.

lolwhat.
 
Now thats a big claim, thing is, putting a timeframe on anything is pointless really. I mean nobody here is going to remember in 8 years time that you said this and pop up to say " ha ! So much for you, you were all wrong !" When it doesn't happen. This forum will quite possibly not even be around. It would be a different ballgame if you said next year but 8 years is large enough a timeframe that it renders the claim pointless in terms of correct/incorrect comeback.

I might as well say you are wrong and that all the signs show that the next ruling state won't be Israel , that the next ruling state will be Namibia and to mark my words in 8 years time Namibia will be running the world.

Nobody in 8 years time will prove me wrong because it will have been long forgotten.

I'm a kind of told you so person, there is very few things I enjoy as much as proving to someone's face that they were wrong about something, I get a kick from it and a further kick from mentioning it at every opportunity afterwards, but 8 years.... bah, that wrecks my chances of crowing that I told you so :)

:p

I can't really argue against that, everything you have said is very valid. :) If what I say doesn't happen, it will all be long forgotten anyway with no chance of anyone really coming back at me.

However, the timescale aspect is as you said quite pointless. The fact is though that, based on the interpretation of our prophets pbuh hadith (sayings), from the scholar who I follow who in my opinion (and this is only a minority opinion in Islam) has hit the nail on the head in regards to explaining events in the modern age, I am absolutely convinced of his arguments that Israel has to be the 'next' ruling state in the world. It may be 1 year, 5 years, 20 years BUT, for religious prophecy to be fulfilled as it already has been, when the false messiah makes his appearance it has to be in Jerusalem because that is where the true Messiah (Jesus Christ pbuh) was also born and lived, therefore, the imposter/deceiver must also follow this lead.

Lets forget for a second what you or I believe, but many jews are still waiting for their messiah, are you aware of this? Christianity and Islam speak of a false messiah or anti-christ, who will emerge close to the end of history at a time when religion is taken lightly.

Everything leading up to the appearence of this final character, the major events, have been happening over the past 100 years, as I explained with the return of the jews to the holy land, the creation of a jewish state, the increase in power to this jewish state... therefore, if the jews are to accept this person as their messiah, he absolutely must rule the whole world FROM Jerusalem, so mark my words, write my name down, slap me ten times if you must (not really) just remember that Jerusalem will be the capital of the ruling state.

Those who still believe in the One true God, regardless of religion, will recognise this state of Israel as an imposter and will not be deceived. But those who worship anything apart from God, whether it be a prophet eg Jesus or Muhammed pbut, those who worship money, or those who have simply rejected God altogether, will never be able to recognise the true messiah when he comes.
 
So why do you think that without external support Israel will suddenly blossom into Superpower status?

So why Israel and not the masses of other countries more powerful than it both politically and economically (50 countries have a larger GDP)? There is nothing to support Israel being the next superpower.

I honestly am not intentionally trying to make up any facts, I was simply trying to make the point that the land Israel took has been increasing especially so in our lifetimes. There is an image somewhere showing the increase in israeli territory, how authentic it is I cannot say, as with these things you cannot be 100% certain either way plus I am sure you have already seen the images I am referring too as you do seem quite knowledgeable on the subject.

In your own opinion, do you think Israel is justified in it's actions? Many people (non muslims) have even gone to Israel to protest at the atrocities they are committing, some even being killed in the process.

BTW I haven't suggested that Israel has or will become a superpower on its own accord, it is most definately with external assistance.
 
That is a pretty silly argument. I can ask "Who killed Heracles?" knowing he is fictional. His fictional status doesn't stop your from answering the question.
Oh, come on. How is a silly argument? It's kind of hard to find out how somebody was perished, if there's no evidence that they even existed. It's important because the teachings of Christianity depend on physical actions performed by Jesus. If it was just his ideas that were important and fundamental, then you may have the shadow of a point, but you don't.
 
eh? What comics do you read?

its true my friend, even the Romans wrote about him, im not stating that about miracles or son of God, but there is no denning that there was a guy called Jesus who claimed to be the son of God, as i said he was written and recorded about more so than the Romans were, and yet we all know the Romans existed.
 
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