Who killed jesus?

[footman]

there was a guy called Jesus who claimed to be the son of God

Can you give ant textual quotations where Jesus said " I am the son of God" ?

 

[doiks14]

its true my friend, even the Romans wrote about him, im not stating that about miracles or son of God, but there is no denning that there was a guy called Jesus who claimed to be the son of God, as i said he was written and recorded about more so than the Romans were, and yet we all know the Romans existed.

Where'd you get this idea? Source? And I don't want to see second hand writings written long after Jesus (if he existed) was long gone...

And as you said, even if he existed, there is no evidence whatsoever that he could perform miracles (like superman) and that he was indeed the son of god..

I think religion was made up to teach us good morals and values which can be extremely helpful for those people who doesn't have a very good natural understanding of what's right and wrong (psychotic people?), and that is all to it, so in a way, I think religion is a good thing... Extremists can just **** off though.

edit: I can think for my own, and just so happens, I managed to distinguish what is right and wrong at an very young age.. so did not feel that the bible actually taught me anything useful when I was young, it was trying to teach me things I already knew.. but in addition to that, tried to make me believe in a super hero that couldn't prove its own existance in any way.. I much prefered reading Marvel and DC Comics than the Bible because the main character always had more awesome miracles up their sleeves .

 

[Tombstone]

The fact is though that, based on the interpretation of our prophets pbuh hadith (sayings), from the scholar who I follow who in my opinion (and this is only a minority opinion in Islam) has hit the nail on the head in regards to explaining events in the modern age, I am absolutely convinced of his arguments that Israel has to be the 'next' ruling state in the world.

Most of what Nostradamus wrote has been pretty nail on the head in regards to explaining events in the modern age, so I am going to go by the interpretations of his writings instead, which make no mention of Israel becoming the ruling world state.

Those who still believe in the One true God, regardless of religion, will recognise this state of Israel as an imposter and will not be deceived. But those who worship anything apart from God, whether it be a prophet eg Jesus or Muhammed pbut, those who worship money, or those who have simply rejected God altogether, will never be able to recognise the true messiah when he comes.

Fair enough, seems a touch harsh to me for a supposedly beneficent God, but nevertheless fair enough. Given that I dont believe in God (so guessing I fit into the "simply rejected God altogether" category), I wont recognise the true messiah when he comes. On the plus side, given that I dont believe, I also wont spend my life waiting for the true messiah or letting that wait and belief impact my life. My life will follow the set of rules and rights and wrongs which are defined by me rather than by a "higher" power. So all in all, I'm happy with that

 

[RDM]

I honestly am not intentionally trying to make up any facts, I was simply trying to make the point that the land Israel took has been increasing especially so in our lifetimes. There is an image somewhere showing the increase in israeli territory, how authentic it is I cannot say, as with these things you cannot be 100% certain either way plus I am sure you have already seen the images I am referring too as you do seem quite knowledgeable on the subject.

The land "owned" by Israel is only increasing if you ignore the fact that they gave back the Sinai Peninsula. The Sinai Peninsula was under Israeli control and is bigger than modern Israel. So you could quite easily say that land controlled by Israel halved since 1979. So the non israeli population is growing (and faster than the Israeli population) and the land they control is smaller. Which sort of makes "All the jews gone, land increasing" to be wrong.

In your own opinion, do you think Israel is justified in it's actions? Many people (non muslims) have even gone to Israel to protest at the atrocities they are committing, some even being killed in the process.

No, I don't think Israel is justified in some of her actions, I can understand why they do what they do, but I do not agree with it.

BTW I haven't suggested that Israel has or will become a superpower on its own accord, it is most definately with external assistance.

Assisted by whom? And how are they going to overtake the other 50 economies in front of them? Also what are the going to do about the massive imbalance of forces between them and the real world powers? It really does not make sense for Israel to be the next world power, they just don't have the military, political or economic might to do it. Especially in a decade.

Oh, come on. How is a silly argument? It's kind of hard to find out how somebody was perished, if there's no evidence that they even existed. It's important because the teachings of Christianity depend on physical actions performed by Jesus. If it was just his ideas that were important and fundamental, then you may have the shadow of a point, but you don't.

Because the question was "Who killed Jesus?" and not "Did Jesus really exist?" Even if you think he was a fictional character then you can go to the same work of fiction that details his life and say "these are the people that killed him".

 

[Tombstone]

I honestly am not intentionally trying to make up any facts, I was simply trying to make the point that the land Israel took has been increasing especially so in our lifetimes. There is an image somewhere showing the increase in israeli territory, how authentic it is I cannot say, as with these things you cannot be 100% certain either way plus I am sure you have already seen the images I am referring too as you do seem quite knowledgeable on the subject.

In your own opinion, do you think Israel is justified in it's actions? Many people (non muslims) have even gone to Israel to protest at the atrocities they are committing, some even being killed in the process.

BTW I haven't suggested that Israel has or will become a superpower on its own accord, it is most definately with external assistance.

Could you not say the same thing about China though? They have also increased in territory over the millenia and they also have many people going there to protest at the atrocities they are committing with some even being killed in the process and most would agree are in a far far stronger position to become the ruling world state compared to Israel. Maybe China is actually the Holy Land.

 

[Tombstone]

there is more historical evidence that jesus existed than the Romans

Erm...no. No there isnt, speaking as someone keen in archaeology I can present literally millions upon millions of texts and items as evidence of the Romans, I cannot present you with more than that as evidence of Jesus. There is indeed evidence that someone lived who fits with the description of Jesus...but there is certainly not "more historical evidence" that he existed than the Romans.

 

[Tombstone]

I think religion was made up to teach us good morals and values

I actually dont think organised religion was made up for such a noble cause as that, I personally think that organised religion was made up for purposes of control over the population and getting people to do and think what you want them to do and think.

 

[Stewy]

That argument is brought up a lot when talking about whether Jesus existed or not, but I just cannot physically see how it can be true.

 

[doiks14]

I actually dont think organised religion was made up for such a noble cause as that, I personally think that organised religion was made up for purposes of control over the population and getting people to do and think what you want them to do and think.

For most people yes, it will be a way of controlling a way of their logic... but I think I've watched enough documentaries about criminal minds (psychotic one's) to tell you that the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" being stuck in their head and controlling their logic and emotion would have actually been useful...

For example, I saw documentary of a Doctor in Japan who was a cannibal who rapes and eats little girls... the reason he does it is because his emotion and logic differs from most people... seeing little girls in pain and being chopped up causes him to get excited (gets a boner) and receives an emotion we perceive as happinness and joy.

 

[Tombstone]

For most people yes, it will be a way of controlling a way of their logic... but I think I've watched enough documentaries about criminal minds (psychotic one's) to tell you that the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" being stuck in their head and controlling their logic and emotion would have actually been useful...

For example, I saw documentary of a Doctor in Japan who was a cannibal who rapes and eats little girls... the reason he does it is because his emotion and logic differs from most people... seeing little girls in pain and being chopped up causes him to get excited (gets a boner) and receives an emotion we perceive as happinness and joy.

Yes...the old Thou Shalt Not Kill. One of the great ironies in life given the number of killings done either in a religions/gods name or by a religious person. In fact if the various testaments are to be believed one could say that God killed more people than anyone

 

[doiks14]

Yes...the old Thou Shalt Not Kill. One of the great ironies in life given the number of killings done either in a religions/gods name or by a religious person. In fact if the various testaments are to be believed one could say that God killed more people than anyone

Have to agree on that... religion failed its purpose to help people... It managed to do the exact opposite of that..

 

[86JR]

After a bit of a smoking session last night the conversation got a bit deep. Something was on tv and either AD or BC was mentioned and we started talking aobut what BC and AD stood for, I said AD is Anno Domini - after the death of Jesus and BC is before christ.

This then turned into discussing if BC 100 was 100 years before Jesus death or before he was born, I said before his death, which progressed onto who was it that killed Jesus.

Me and one of my housemates said it was Jews who killed Jesus and Christ(Jesus?) was a Christian, out other housemate said it was the Romans who killed Jesus and Jesus himself was a Jew - born in Jerusalem. I did think he was supposed to be born in Jerusalem.

I am not religous at all, I think Religion made up over time from someone who maybe fed a few poor families with bread and fish, but certainly did not feed 10,000 people. Religion IMO is also the causes of a lot of evil. I am Atheist.
I do however believe there was someone called Jesus but he certainly did not do a lot of the thing in the bible.

I tried Google searching for "who killed Jesus" and a mass of stories and views came back, all not giving an answer

I think TW FOX accidentally hit him in his bmw whilst doing 200mph, he died and bmw became the sort of car you can only own if your "you killed jesus dude, your like, awesome!"

 

[chris_uk333]

Sod it..I admit it, i did.

 

[markweatherill]

MUSLIMS KILLED JESUS.

 

[Stewy]

MUSLIMS KILLED JESUS.

Oh... oh god... this thread is in trouble

 

[Tefal]

You're crying because I thought it was a good and informative video that doesn't agree with other stuff on the internet? That seems a little over the top.

Oh, and all his sources are cited in the video description. Of course, those may not be completely accurate either. But such is the way of the world. Believe what you want to believe and you'll get along just fine.

The fact the rest of the video says that the us government blew up the twin towers via controlled demolition doesn't affect your view o nit being a "good and informative video"?

 

[RDM]

The fact the rest of the video says that the us government blew up the twin towers via controlled demolition doesn't affect your view o nit being a "good and informative video"?

I do wish that people who are (often quite justified) cynical about what governments and the media tell us would also apply that to stuff posted on the internet. Sadly it seems that the government always lies yet internet wierdos always tell the truth...

 

[Castiel]

I do wish that people who are (often quite justified) cynical about what governments and the media tell us would also apply that to stuff posted on the internet. Sadly it seems that the government always lies yet internet wierdos always tell the truth...

That's because the internet can't lie. It's true because the Govt told me.


or was it God....

 

[Castiel]

MUSLIMS KILLED JESUS.

They would have had a hard job doing it, The first Muslim didn't arrive for over 500 years.

Of course I suppose a Muslim time-traveller from 2464 could have done it.

 

[Naffa]

Because the question was "Who killed Jesus?" and not "Did Jesus really exist?" Even if you think he was a fictional character then you can go to the same work of fiction that details his life and say "these are the people that killed him".

Right...That's one of the poorest points I've ever seen anybody even attempt to try and make. How would you propose one goes about doing so, then? Why, by default, must one single explanation for Jesus' death be correct if the whole thing is fiction? How does one go about investigating an event that never happened? How would you choose which explanation is the 'correct' one?

I don't accept that question in it's original form, as I don't think it can be answered.