Epic win for Oxfordshire driving

Irish_Tom · 22 Jul 2010 at 11:51

Khaaan! said:
I don't I go to Snows BMW on Eastern Road (Portsmouth)!

Cheers mate,

Just wondered if there was any decent BMW Indy's around the area (as I've just moved from Southampton). The nearest place I have found is out in the New Forest somewhere and it's just a bit too far of a treck.

Guess Snows will have to do.

Duke · 22 Jul 2010 at 11:52

"There's a serious danger we will see an increase in casulaties. We may be counting the cost of this in terms of bodies."

LOL.

mrk · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:00

Panzerbjorn said:
Cheers mate,

Just wondered if there was any decent BMW Indy's around the area (as I've just moved from Southampton). The nearest place I have found is out in the New Forest somewhere and it's just a bit too far of a treck.

Guess Snows will have to do.

Oh there are a few Indys around, I just go to Snows because the prices are pretty much the same (in most cases cheaper!) with the 6+ discount applied.

Check out:
http://www.etechmotorsport.co.uk (more expensive for some stuff)

Depends on how you get on with them I guess, just phone up and get quotes and choose the cheapest. I always do major servicing at Snows.

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shine · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:03

About 18 months ago they put up a temporary "How fast are you going" speed check on the A33 just outside Basingstoke. It was up for 4 days.

Typically people would be doing the speed limit (50) slam on their breaks slow down to 30 and then there were always one or 2 who were watching the speed sign rather than the traffic in front!

After the 2nd 4/5 car pileup the whole thing was packed up and never to be seen again.

TS7 · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:04

Khaaan! said:
Cameras or no cameras. If people want to speed they will speed.

Pretty much. All speed cameras do in 80% of cases is make the speeding driver slow down, go past the camera, then speed up again.

mrk · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:08

TS7 said:
Pretty much. All speed cameras do in 80% of cases is make the speeding driver slow down, go past the camera, then speed up again.

Yeah, I /don't/ do that!

PMKeates · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:22

Panzerbjorn said:
ust wondered if there was any decent BMW Indy's around the area (as I've just moved from Southampton). The nearest place I have found is out in the New Forest somewhere and it's just a bit too far of a treck.

BMWorx in Stoke Mandeville have worked on a number of OcUK members BMWs and I've not heard a bad word said about them. I personally was very satisfied with the diagnosis, work and service.

rypt · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:26

edscdk said:
I mean someone who feels the need to speed everwhere...

Speeding is not dangerous provided you do a speed that is safe and appropriate for the road and conditions

-Ad- · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:34

rypt said:
Speeding is not dangerous provided you do a speed that is safe and appropriate for the road and conditions

Except for when someone steps out into the road or pulls a silly driving manouver and you plough into them due to the decreased time between you and the target

It's not always fine to speed just because it is safe to, but sometimes it can be. Different areas, roads, times etc etc

Firestar_3x · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:37

Its 100% safe to do 70mph in a 30mph outside a school long as your in a Corsa or Astra VXR

Amoeba · 22 Jul 2010 at 12:51

I have no issue with speed cameras as long as they are placed in plain view.

The idea should be to deter speeding rather than catch people doing it - cameras over the crest of a hill or round a sweeping bend in the road cheese me off. Clearly the police are more interested in making cash than actually stopping speeding.

ubersonic · 22 Jul 2010 at 13:07

In north Wales we have cameras hidden behind bridge pillars and in the back of horse boxes lol, hopefully the police round here will one day cut down on the cameras too

rypt · 22 Jul 2010 at 13:24

-Ad- said:
Except for when someone steps out into the road or pulls a silly driving manouver and you plough into them due to the decreased time between you and the target

It's not always fine to speed just because it is safe to, but sometimes it can be. Different areas, roads, times etc etc

Except that the accident is as a result of someone stepping out in front of the car or doing a bad driving manoeuvre and not as a result of you speeding.

[TW]Fox · 22 Jul 2010 at 13:30

PMKeates said:
BMWorx in Stoke Mandeville have worked on a number of OcUK members BMWs and I've not heard a bad word said about them. I personally was very satisfied with the diagnosis, work and service.

If lives miles away from them! Why suggest a place that's a 4 hour round trip from where he lives??

Janesy B · 22 Jul 2010 at 13:32

rypt said:
Except that the accident is as a result of someone stepping out in front of the car or doing a bad driving manoeuvre and not as a result of you speeding.

Well yes, they may have misjudged your speed? If you're barrelling down a side road at 50 and you knock someone over, you don't deserve a licence.

rypt · 22 Jul 2010 at 13:45

Janesy B said:
Well yes, they may have misjudged your speed? If you're barrelling down a side road at 50 and you knock someone over, you don't deserve a licence.

If someone steps into the road then that's Darwin at work

Amoeba · 22 Jul 2010 at 13:50

rypt said:
If someone steps into the road then that's Darwin at work

For once (

) I am forced to agree with Janesey here - driving quickly can be fine as long as you know 100% what is going to unfold around you.

As this is not possible then you need to be driving at a reasonable enough speed to react in time to unexpected events, be it a pedestrian, car pulling out, slow moving vehicle / queue around a corner or even a pothole in the road.

-Ad- · 22 Jul 2010 at 13:50

rypt said:
Except that the accident is as a result of someone stepping out in front of the car or doing a bad driving manoeuvre and not as a result of you speeding.

But if you were travelling slower and at the speed limit then you would have been a lot more likely to stop plus won't up in prison! Barrelling around just because your car can do it, conditions are dry, and visibility is good does not mean it is safe!

If someone steps into the road then that's Darwin at work

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Janesy B · 22 Jul 2010 at 13:51

rypt said:
If someone steps into the road then that's Darwin at work

I do wonder what kind of world you live in? Do you not like the idea of the driver being responsible for at least part of their actions? Yes the person ran out or didn't pay attention, it doesn't mean speeding is fine and it doesn't mean the person deserves to die. Those who speed excessively in populated areas are the worst kind of cretin.

The man I saw get hit by a double decker because he stepped out in front of it, did he deserve to be splattered? Doubt it. The road used to be one way, it was changed to a two way road with buses travelling the 'wrong way'. No signs were posted.

I would like Rypt to become a lawyer and defend a client who hit a child whilst travelling at 50MPH in a 30 zone. 'WELL HE WALKED OUT ON MY CLIENT SO THATS LIKE DARWINISM LOL?'.

rypt · 22 Jul 2010 at 14:10

Amoeba said:
As this is not possible then you need to be driving at a reasonable enough speed to react in time to unexpected events, be it a pedestrian, car pulling out, slow moving vehicle / queue around a corner or even a pothole in the road.

I entirely agree with that, as I said you need to be driving safe for the conditions.
But clearly Janesy is not talking about that, as I had already covered that.
He's talking about a pedestrian who does not look like he's going to cross (say walking along the side of the road) deciding suddenly to cross, by which point he is already within the "you can't react fast enough zone", or say you doing 150MPH down the motorway, and some idiot decides to pull out in front of you to overtake someone ahead, again they are already within the "you cannot react fast enough zone"

In BOTH of these cases you were driving at a speed that is safe as you could react to a hazard that unfolds ahead of you and stop in time (ie car broken down blocking the road after a bend), but in both these cases an accident occurs due to someone else failing to make the correct observations.
If you were travelling at say 70MPH on the motorway then the same issue can occur, you would just have to be closer to the car for it to occur.

Janesy B said:
The man I saw get hit by a double decker because he stepped out in front of it, did he deserve to be splattered? Doubt it. The road used to be one way, it was changed to a two way road with buses travelling the 'wrong way'. No signs were posted.

Green cross code ... "Stop, Look, Listen, Think"