G20 police officer cleared of assault

Deific said:
So what if in like so many of the incidents I've seen, you get indicated to move by an officer and as you say you would, start to do so - only to be helped along by a shove in the back despite the fact that you are there to protest lawfully and agreed to move out of the way and promptly started to do so, then after being knocked to the floor, brushing yourself off and continuing to move in the direction indicated - taking a couple batton hits to the legs?

Would you then, still be spouting this rubbish?


- because I have seen the above scenario far, far too many times.
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So some smart ass thinks I'll screw with the police by following their direction, but at a pace of my own choosing and not theirs - heh there's nothing the thicky police can do about that... well guess what, passive-aggression is still aggression and is rightly met with reasonable force.

Deific said:
But according to you, it would never happen.
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Not that it would never happen, just that it never happened in this case.
 
scorza said:
So some smart ass thinks I'll screw with the police by following their direction, but at a pace of my own choosing and not theirs - heh there's nothing the thicky police can do about that... well guess what, passive-aggression is still aggression and is rightly met with reasonable force.
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What? Moving slowly isn't justification for being pushed over, even if it is done passive-aggressively... although I'm not sure anyone could prove that Tomlinson was walking slowly to be passive-aggressive.
 
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scorza said:
So some smart ass thinks I'll screw with the police by following their direction, but at a pace of my own choosing and not theirs - heh there's nothing the thicky police can do about that... well guess what, passive-aggression is still aggression and is rightly met with reasonable force.



Not that it would never happen, just that it never happened in this case.
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You seem to think everyone who has an altercation with the police is trying to be a smartass or is being a general nuisance.


How naieve.
 
Andy90 said:
Erm nope.

The results from the second and third post mortem examination is evidence. The same as Dr. Patels post mortem.

All three pieces of evidence would be discloseable to the Defence, Jury and Judge, should there be a Court case.

You cannot chose which Post Mortem to ignore - and that I suspect is the crux of the whole decision by the CPS not to run the case - that there could be a doubt as to the actual cause of death.

The existence of evidence does not mean that someone is guilty and therefore automatically convicted.

It is up to a Jury to listen to the evidence before it and then based on that evidence to make a decision as to whether the defendant is guilty of the charges or not.
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I hear what you're saying, but in the light of Dr.Patel's apparent failings of post mortems 2002 to 2005, plus two further post mortems in agreement with each other, seems to me Dr.Patels post mortem could or should have been dismissed. If two later pathologists have come to the same verdict versus one completely different verdict, it certainly looks like Dr.Patel doesn't have a clue. But oh well, that's law I guess.
 
Just watching this on the news now, Jesus it's pathetic, he's obviously being deliberately difficult walking slowly in front of the officers, gets pushed over, not very hard, and they want the officer charged? An absolute farce, just ridiculous.
 
Too many police brutality apologists and 'immigrants must die' people in this thread that it truly tarnishes the image and reputation of OcUK. Today I am truly disgusted and disappointed.

Well done for eroding my faith in humanity :( Certain truly reputable long-time board members, as well as BNP pond scum both alike has joined the fray of the disgusting simpleton mentality that has led to the apologetic and tolerant nature of needless deaths and altercations that have lowered the stature of the authorities that are supposed to protect us, and the profile of man as a whole.

This thread... is deeply disturbing and a horrific simulacrum into how man can easily sanction the brutal treatment of others without even the slightest dent into their morality and conscience. Congratulations...
 
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StewartMG said:
Just watching this on the news now, Jesus it's pathetic, he's obviously being deliberately difficult walking slowly in front of the officers, gets pushed over, not very hard, and they want the officer charged? An absolute farce, just ridiculous.
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The point is that deliberately walking slowly in front of an officer isn't justification for being pushed, and if he hadn't had been pushed, he wouldn't have died.

Is it really that hard to understand?
 
I wasn't just a shove on the back though was it, he was clobbered on the back on the knee with a nightstick, then the officer stepped into the shove and used his bodyweight on an off balance person. Which sent him sprawling on the floor.

I wasn't reasonable force to move someone along, it was malicious in it's intent and totaly uncalled for.
 
wordy said:
I wasn't reasonable force to move someone along, it was malicious in it's intent and totaly uncalled for.
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However you are unlikely to be able to prove that this killed the man hence no prosecution can be brought against the officer in question.
 
Deific said:
You seem to think everyone who has an altercation with the police is trying to be a smartass or is being a general nuisance.


How naieve.
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No I think people who think they're being clever by walking slowly in front of riot police are being a smart ass or a general nuisance and deserve to have reasonable force used against them with the aim of moving them along.
 
wordy said:
Well that makes it alright then.
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What do you want? A different, looser, standard of law to apply to the police? Or do you want the CPS to go ahead with a prosecution knowing full well the chances of a conviction are close to zero?
 
scorza said:
No I think people who think they're being clever by walking slowly in front of riot police are being a smart ass or a general nuisance and deserve to have reasonable force used against them with the aim of moving them along.
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Indeed and in this case the person in question didn't dererve to be hit with a nightstick and then shoved to the floor.
 
wordy said:
Justice, not too much to ask is it? What with us living in a first world democracy an all that.
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The point RDM is making is that they wouldn't get justice even through the courts because they wouldn't win a conviction against the officers in question.

However, I'm sure we can all agree that the officers involved in this incident and the one involving the young women should not be sent back out onto the streets as police officers. Surely some action will be taken against them within the police?
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Your post suggests you don't reall grasp how it works.

I have been the subject of a malicious and completely untrue allegation which ended up on the desk of the IPCC. Cut and dried, no foundation to it whatsoever. Time taken to resolve it ? 4 months.

If there is sufficient evidence to nail a cop to the wall, thy will be done. Simple as. There is nothing whatsover to gain from a cover up and indeed a lot to lose.

The decision not to charge the officer with manslaughter, ABH or misconduct was, in my humble opinion, the only course of action open to the CPS as there was no realistic chance of a prosecution in a million years.

There was also no realistic chance of the case being finalised before the 6 month prosecution time limit for common assault given the complications of the case. That leaves a bad taste for me.

I do not like what I saw that day. There was nothing to stop the cop nodding to another for Mr Tomlinson's arms to be held and him being walked away from the scene. The push was not justifiable at all.
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Thanks Von.

How would you feel if they do away with all the CPS\whatever people and go the Judge and Jury way?
 
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