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I guess the GTX 460 is a 5830 killer?

easyrider said:
Forgive my noobishness they just look the same to me....?:o
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neither the palit, nor the inno3d is a reference cooler both cool worse and are louder...

the ref image on the ocuk version isnt either the palit OR the inno3d one...

i have, on the other hand, an outstanding order elsewhere for a sparkle 1GB GTX 460 with reference cooler design.

reviews probably monday although i was hoping to recieve today not gonna happen:/
 
Marine-RX179 said:
Only managed to find this on bit-tech with Crysis result:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/07/21/overclocking-nvidia-s-geforce-gtx-460/2
So a GTX460 768MB overclocked to 858MHz is faster than 5850 and GTX470 at stock on Crysis.

From what I recall, GTX460 with voltage tweak can hit 900~950MGz.
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thats because crisis is heavily geared towards nvidia hardware it seems...

check any review, in crisis the 460 wll beat the upper ati model.. in any other game normal service is resumed.
 
Either way it seems to me that at least there is a decent range of cards available now depending on what people want to spend. 5770-5830-460-5850-470-5870. So we no longer have a situation where there are huge pricing gaps, now you can pay a little bit extra for a little bit more performance rather than needing to find an extra £70+ from somewhere. Also of course we finally have cards worth buying for under £200 (for people who already had a decent card from previous generations) which hasn't been the case for absolutely ages.
 
yes because the core is so overclocked vs a stock gtx 470 with a core of 607mhz... if your willing to clock the core of a gtx 460 then i am presuming you would also clock the 470 and gain more for each % overclocked than you would with the 460 anyway
 
Nickg said:
yes because the core is so overclocked vs a stock gtx 470 with a core of 607mhz... if your willing to clock the core of a gtx 460 then i am presuming you would also clock the 470 and gain more for each % overclocked than you would with the 460 anyway
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You are missing the point. I know GTX470 would most likely have better gain on its overclock, but it is the GF100 architecture not the GF104 architecture, so it consume much more power and run hotter. Also the most important of all this is the price; we are talking about a £150 ish card overclocked being able outperforming at GTX470 at stock speed. Yes a GTX470 overclocked would easily outperform the overclocked GTX460 768MB, but for the extra capability and performance of the GTX470...people have to pay extra for it...in the sense of £150 vs £235- £85 price difference.

I still think for people that are not prepared to dish out £200+ for a card, a GTX460 768MB/1GB with voltage tweak or a 5850 is the way to go. Really no point going 5830 now, unless it is priced at sub £140.
 
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One thing to remember is that the gtx460 is really up against the 5770, or well it should be. ok let me explain my point, with the Nvidia gf100 chip they brought us the gtx480, 470 and the 465, with Ati's cypress chip they brought us the 5870, 5850 and the 5830.

the 5830 is like the 465 its the lowest derivative of the high end chip and as such generally pretty poor. whereas the gtx460 is the best of Nvidia midrange chipset the gf104 and as such really it should be placed against the 5770 the best of the juniper chip series, of course till to come are the gf104 chip series which would effectively go up against the 5600 redwood chips.

now of course the performance of the the gtx460 is very good moving it up the scale somewhat, displacing other cards like the gtx465 which is now really pointless in my opinion. i think this just goes to show how poor the performance of the gf100 series chips really is, just as drunkenmaster has mentioned several times in the past :D, they had to down clock and chop bits off to get them to work within acceptable limits. but i think the 460 has had much less cropping, and it really shows what a good design the Fermi architecture is.

anyway i seem to have gotten off the point somewhat so ill shut up now.:p
 
jigger said:
An overclocked 5830 should match~ a 5850. For £140~ that makes it a very decent card.
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You would have thought that. On paper it should be a good performer, and overclock well due to it's board similarities to the 5870, but when ATI cut half the ROPs off the board they severely gimped it. Even when heavily overclocked a 5830 will struggle to keep up with a 5850 =( I was planning on getting a 5830 when it came out, and got shot down in flames when I saw the benchmarks.
 
I am trying to exchange my 1GB 5830 for a 1GB GTX 460; why? Because the 1GB GTX 460 out performs the 1gb 5830 in 99% of tests. All you have to do is Google GTX 460 review and you'll find many different websites, but they all have the same result. 460 > 5830!
 
chaotic_uk said:
that also says the 5830 is £175 , it is not it is £158.61-£164.49 at ocuk
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And? I paid no attention to the price that they quote.

The point is even if both GTX460 768MB and the 5830 1GB were the same price, it doesn't change the fact that the GTX460 768MB is a better card. The 5830 needs to be price lower than the GTX460 if they are to be sold.
 
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I don't get the 768MB GTX 460 when for 20 quid more you can get the the 1GB version. Then for 20 quid more you can get the 5850 :p
 
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