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Poll: Can't decide between 1GB 460 or 5850
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You certain you are guaranteed to get a reference card new from shop after the customs one took over for so long? And doesn't the reference card require flashing bios to Asus's in order to voltage tweak...which would void warranty if I'm not mistaken...?Any reference Radeon 5850 can be voltage tweaked and they cost £195 somewhere
No, it doesn't require flash to voltage tweak, I can do it on mine any time.
And yeah, VTX and Powercolor are reference models.
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Was hoping better brand reference would be available...
VTX only offer 1 year warranty and the quality of rma service is unknown...where as Powercolor...it as questionable rma since someone send their borked 4870x2 back to them within the warranty period...instead of getting a equivalent card replacement (which should be 5870 or 5850), he got refunded just £110...so a big hmmmmm there...
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Decent brand reference models are still out there Picked up a reference ASUS for a smidge over 200 including delivery, should be receiving it today.
Still its not really a bargain considering the release price but HD5850.
Still its not really a bargain considering the release price but HD5850.
VTX is part of Powercolor afaik. This doesn't sound good but tbh - there shouldn't be any problems with RMAing new cards.
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What mobo are you using? If you have more than one PCI express slot then id fall on the GPU that is supported running two cards. If it's crossfire supported then getting a 5770 wouldn't be so bad as you could buy another once the price crashes when the next generation of cards is released.
Just a thought ;p
Just a thought ;p
i voted 5850, as an Nvidia user for the past 5-6 years i wanted one of the new GTX 4xx models but heat and power consumption put me off, so i got an XFX 5850 and from my last set-up (GTX260) i'm very happy i've not had any problems with games and all but Crysis run like a dream on max settings @1920x1080 and even Crysis plays well on max settings but some parts in the 2nd chapter go below 30fps, AVP on max settings runs @1080p @60fps, fallout 3 (heavily modded(higher res textures ect) is flawless @ with all the pritty bit's on the call of duty games (modern warfare 1 & 2) also no problems what so ever @ 1080p maxed out
the only thing i do miss is PhysX, my 3d mark score took a major nose dive without an Nvidia card but the important thing is the games look great and play very well maxed out
the only thing i do miss is PhysX, my 3d mark score took a major nose dive without an Nvidia card but the important thing is the games look great and play very well maxed out
Sometimes is nice to let other people who actually use the hardware have some input. And offer first hand experience, and not just post some screen shots from dodgy sites. There is enough of that in the CPU section
I think I'm going to wait a couple of weeks and see if ATI respond.
I see some cuts coming....thoughts?
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There's no harm in waiting, well until jan when the VAT goes up!
So what is the spec of your system? Is SLI or Xfire a possibility? Two 5770s will match and in some cases just pip a 5870 and work out cheaper even if you bought them now.
So what is the spec of your system? Is SLI or Xfire a possibility? Two 5770s will match and in some cases just pip a 5870 and work out cheaper even if you bought them now.
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See his sign. i7 920 and Asus P6T SE so it's X58, so both Crossfire and SLI are possible.
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I didn't clock it under the sign. Your setup is clearly visible
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To my knowledge that asus board is Xfire not sli. Unless there is a modded bios or newer bios to support it.
It can. You just need to crossflash the Asus P6T bios to the SE board and it will work.
I have not done this yet as I have no need for SLI but I would do if I needed or wanted it. Its very easy to do and 1000's of people have done it.
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Since i dont own the mobo i'm not well versed with any bios trickery related to it but that is good news and opens up a lot of options for you to consider.
I would still sit in the ati camp as the board is xfire certified and its just less hassle. I do like the eyefinity capabilty of the ati cards too, yes nvidia has a similar feature but this requires SLI.
So what are your thoughts so far? This thread is proving quite popular
I would still sit in the ati camp as the board is xfire certified and its just less hassle. I do like the eyefinity capabilty of the ati cards too, yes nvidia has a similar feature but this requires SLI.
So what are your thoughts so far? This thread is proving quite popular
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I think in the end it's all really down to personal preference. Most people like the additional raw power of 5850 up front, but for myself I think I can live with GTX460 1GB being slightly lower frame rate.
I mentioned about the GTX460 1GB tessellations performance being better than a 5870, and someone argue that none of the 1st gen card would be good enough for games if the use of tessellations in games really take off. That may be true, but this is where I think a Nvidia dual-card set up would benefit more than a ATI dual-card set up.
A highly overclocked GTX460 SLI set up would most likely more or less match the performance in terms of raw power of an overclocked 5850 Crossfire set up since SLI scale better than Crossfire. Putting raw power aside, the overclocked GTX460 1GB SLI set up would have superior tessellations capability than a overclocked 5850 in Crossfire, and the difference could be playable and non-playable frame rate for future games.
Whether or not future games will adapt to using tessellations more commonly or heavily, I just feel better knowing that a GTX460 1GB has better tessellations capability (even if it is may or may not be enough for future games), whereas having slightly lower frame rate than a 5850 wouldn't kill me. People might disagree, but that's how I feel.
I mentioned about the GTX460 1GB tessellations performance being better than a 5870, and someone argue that none of the 1st gen card would be good enough for games if the use of tessellations in games really take off. That may be true, but this is where I think a Nvidia dual-card set up would benefit more than a ATI dual-card set up.
A highly overclocked GTX460 SLI set up would most likely more or less match the performance in terms of raw power of an overclocked 5850 Crossfire set up since SLI scale better than Crossfire. Putting raw power aside, the overclocked GTX460 1GB SLI set up would have superior tessellations capability than a overclocked 5850 in Crossfire, and the difference could be playable and non-playable frame rate for future games.
Whether or not future games will adapt to using tessellations more commonly or heavily, I just feel better knowing that a GTX460 1GB has better tessellations capability (even if it is may or may not be enough for future games), whereas having slightly lower frame rate than a 5850 wouldn't kill me. People might disagree, but that's how I feel.
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Better tessellation performance than 5870...http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_Cyclone_OC_768_MB/28.html
Anyone who considers a card on tessellation performance needs their head seeing to, you may as well wait for the next generation of ATI and Nvidia cards for proper tessellation performance, not that there are any games out there that will properly utilize it for many years.
Anyone who considers a card on tessellation performance needs their head seeing to, you may as well wait for the next generation of ATI and Nvidia cards for proper tessellation performance, not that there are any games out there that will properly utilize it for many years.
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I'm pretty sure I was talking about the GTX460 1GB not the 768MB version. The review I saw was with 8xAA, so I guess the 5870 is performing slightly better in 4xAA mode than the GTX460 1GB in the Heaven Bench. Also, it still doesn't change the fact that it is better than the 5850 in tessellations as a single card. So again, it's down to the preference of slighty better raw power vs slightly better tessellations plus more features, and slightly cheaper vs slightly more expensive. And as useless as Physx as the people claim it to be, it is still a nice bonus for a card that is cheaper.
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