Justice done?

On a slightly insane note, I think we should have the punishment mirror the crime. If intentionally kill someone you should be killed! Muhahahaha! Also, if you rape someone, then rape em back. I see no flaw in this plan! We could even invent a machine to beat people up in precise ways.

Such a machine exists and it is called Chuck Norris.

Slightly insane I know but imagine it!
 
Science doesn't have to prove anything when you have video evidence (like in this case, Telegraph has the video on their site).

What happens in 3 weeks when we have video footage of an almost identical incident .. but the camera was half-knackered so the footage is very grainy.

From what you can see it looks like its probably, almost definately, the guy you have in custody.

So, you gonna hang him?
 
On a slightly insane note, I think we should have the punishment mirror the crime. If intentionally kill someone you should be killed! Muhahahaha! Also, if you rape someone, then rape em back. I see no flaw in this plan! We could even invent a machine to beat people up in precise ways.

As serious as this thread is you did make me laugh, thanks. :)
 
Sentences look about right to me, they weren't intending to kill him, so it wasn't murder.

We need to sort out our criminal justice schizophrenia and decide what we actually want from it. Do we want to prevent future crime, or punish for the committed crime. In many cases the two are mutually exclusive, so it's important to make a decision.
 
It's a shame that they can't be killed for their crimes.
These people will not benefit society ever.

A bullet through the head and then burn the bodies. Problem solved.

Sentences look about right to me, they weren't intending to kill him, so it wasn't murder.

They did kill him though. They attacked someone for a laugh and he ended up dead.
A couple of years doesn't really fit the crime in my eyes.
 
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What happens in 3 weeks when we have video footage of an almost identical incident .. but the camera was half-knackered so the footage is very grainy.

From what you can see it looks like its probably, almost definately, the guy you have in custody.

So, you gonna hang him?

These are hypothetical situations you're conjuring britboy. We have stone wall evidence here and I understand that innocent people are mistaken for the guilty parties at times and on films (based on real life events) but - again - we have the evidence.
 
Sentences look about right to me, they weren't intending to kill him, so it wasn't murder.

We need to sort out our criminal justice schizophrenia and decide what we actually want from it. Do we want to prevent future crime, or punish for the committed crime. In many cases the two are mutually exclusive, so it's important to make a decision.

The two are mutually exclusive so the larger the punishment the greater the deterrant, no?
 
I'd personally kill them myself if that was done to someone close to me and I was in the same spot.

I don't care if I get jailed for 3-4 years for it :p
As I'll truly feel that justice has been served, that is all.
 
No one wins in this scenario. Uk can't afford to keep them in prison (both space and money). I will tell you what isn't the solution though, building more god damn council estates.
 
The two are mutually exclusive so the larger the punishment the greater the deterrant, no?

No, the harsher the punishment, the more likely they are to commit crime afterwards. Building up resentment and breaking any facility for criminals to feel empathy by treating them appallingly is no rehabilitation approach.
 
No one wins in this scenario. Uk can't afford to keep them in prison (both space and money). I will tell you what isn't the solution though, building more god damn council estates.

kill them, send some aid to africa, enough to save 10 people, its a win / win situation.... even if you got the wrong person you saved the lives of 10...
 
I thought it was murder if you intended to cause harm anyway?

But yeah, sickening tbh. Forget the death penalty, just put them in stocks and let the British public line up and take it in turns to kick them in the nuts, until they die.
 
I'd personally kill them myself if that was done to someone close to me and I was in the same spot.

Snap i think id go rather mental and go all MDK! on there a**'s

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On a serious note 4 years is pretty petty.... even for manslaughter...

which i fail to see as they intended to harm him from striking him soon as that happens should go down as murder tbh... but then the lawyers etc. look to science to prove that it was the fall which killed him not the intial strike so either way you stand no chance of getting these little &***ers sent down for longer...

Our justice system makes me sad inside.
 
These are hypothetical situations you're conjuring britboy. We have stone wall evidence here and I understand that innocent people are mistaken for the guilty parties at times and on films (based on real life events) but - again - we have the evidence.

We had absolutely 'bang-to-rights' evidence of the Birmingham 6 confessing to bombings that led to many more dead. It was as absolute the most solid, damning case against the terrorists you could ever hope for, and they were duly jailed.

If we had a death penalty, they'd have been executed.

Of course it was only years later the police admitted to stamping on their heads repeatedly for hours until they confessed, altering their confessions to make them worse, adding fake evidence, then lying in court about the whole thing.
 
Sentences look about right to me, they weren't intending to kill him, so it wasn't murder.

We need to sort out our criminal justice schizophrenia and decide what we actually want from it. Do we want to prevent future crime, or punish for the committed crime. In many cases the two are mutually exclusive, so it's important to make a decision.

When you punish a child, you smack (or punish it in some way) it to prevent it from doing "it" again in the future. Usually the smack is a sharp retaliation to what it did, sometimes more intense than what they did, in order to drive the message home.

The two don't need to be mutually exclusive as you said. It's never black or white in my opinion. However, as an answer to your question, I stand by my opinion that for targetted crimes against individuals the "punishment" should take precedence over rehabilitation.
 
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