Trident or Aircraft Carriers or JSF

I'll let a former serving answer you thoroughly, but come on - it hardly takes a brain to figure out why IED's are so effective. Troops need to patrol. Think about it....

But this is what I'm asking, there's nothing new about land mines - why were we so unprepared for their use against us in Afghanistan? We were still rolling around in Land Rover Snatches until recently - doesn't matter how good your troops are if you give them crap, outdated equipment. As far as I can tell from what I've seen on TV, anti-land mine technology still consists of one guy walking out front with a metal detector - surely there's room for some innovation here?

Also, am I right in thinking that IEDs weren't really used in Afghanistan until they proved to be very effective against coalition forces in Iraq?
 
Gen Dannat, while clearly not a fan of snatch Land Rovers, said that when it comes to narrow alleyways etc, they are the only vehicle that can be used in such circumstances as Mastifs and Ridgebacks are too big.

Also interesting that he slated the Humvee although he did this diplomatically.
 
But this is what I'm asking, there's nothing new about land mines - why were we so unprepared for their use against us in Afghanistan? We were still rolling around in Land Rover Snatches until recently
You can't blame the military (especially the individual soldiers) for civilian and government issues, though. Snatch is also great - nippy.

doesn't matter how good your troops are if you give them crap, outdated equipment.
Well, America didn't seem to fair well in Vietnam vs. troops with outdated equipment, did they.....? Actually, all the Taliban have is outdated equipment..... Your soldiers are the most important resource.

As far as I can tell from what I've seen on TV, anti-land mine technology still consists of one guy walking out front with a metal detector - surely there's room for some innovation here?

And the US have genetically engineered scarab beetles that dig around the ground and fart red flares when they detect a mine? No. So it's hardly a reason to criticise the UK forces.
 
As far as I can tell from what I've seen on TV, anti-land mine technology still consists of one guy walking out front with a metal detector - surely there's room for some innovation here?

We also use hovercraft, and then there's the Python Mine minefield breaching system, which fires a rocket towing a big hos full of explosives that carves a 250m long road through a mine feild.

But a mine field is one thing, some bloke digging a hole under a road in the night and putting a bag full of explosives and a mobile phone as a detonator is damn near impossible to counter. (in an avoidance sense, rather than defensive measures like v shaped hulls etc.)
 
I asked this question before in SC and didn't receive a satisfactory answer; if the RM and British Army are the best in the world, why are the Taliban being so effective against them? If it's only because of IED's (I prefer to call them land mines) then why aren't they adequately prepared for that particular tactic being used against them? What is the use of having the best troops in the world if they can't actually win wars?

I appreciate that's a difficult question, especially with our troops still fighting and dying in Afghanistan, but nevertheless I think it needs to be asked and addressed if we're going to meet the 2015 deadline.

The problem is the false perception that the Taliban and their insurgent allies are being effective against the Coalition Forces.

It is War, a guerrilla unconventional war, but war nonetheless and losses are to be expected, The losses we have sustained while regrettable are nominally very low.

As with all changes experienced while in Theatre, especially somewhere as remote and logistically difficult as Helmand it takes time and money to adapt to new tactics employed by the Taliban.

One of the problems as mentioned many times is the limitations created by the 'Hearts and Mind' terminology in the US enforced ROE which does limit the scope for high profile search and destroy tactics such as we employed in the early stages of 2002/03. If we had been permitted to continue across the Pakistan borders with our mission then we just may not be in this situation right now.

It is a difficult and complex question and probably deserves a thread in SC of it's own.

Simply though, I put a lot of the problems down to political maneuvering and an unwillingness to take politically damaging decisions in relation to the combat theatre. The stated deadline is a case in point, it serves no tactical advantage to coalition forces to state such a politically targetted statement at this time, all is does is increases the perception to the Taliban and the Coalition troops themselves that the coalitions resolve is faltering, decreasing allied morale and increasing Insurgency morale at the same time.

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IED's are a relatively new thing in Afghanistan, used sporadically untill 2007 and something al-Qaeda led insurgents imported from other conflicts such as Iraq, the problem isn't with disabling IED's it is with identifying there is even one present, and then for every IED there is potential for ambush and sniper attack. The best way of detecting IED's is sniffer dogs, so I'm sure you can understand the logistical and deployment issues with that.

Someone mentioned Snatchs being the only vehicle that is really suited to the narrow urban environment, well tis is true to some extent, there is also the problem with Mastiffs is there is a trade off with regard to protection and mobilty. However, as far I understand it, the Snatch is being replaced with a mixture of Mastiffs and the Panther CLV's in an attempt to address both issues around mobility and protection.
 
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If there was a way to detect mobile phones within a small area of a vehicle that would be great?

And a way to auto dial them without messing with comms.

To clear Ieds as you drive that would be quite cool come to think of it....
 
If there was a way to detect mobile phones within a small area of a vehicle that would be great?

And a way to auto dial them without messing with comms.

To clear Ieds as you drive that would be quite cool come to think of it....


Aside from the civilian casualties caused by blowing bombs up in an uncleared area, and the risk of killing yourself by driving into the crater/blast.
 
LOL im a div -_-


Well keep the broadcast of the signal that causes detonation to be within a certain range and if there roadside then.. they will blow at that range. If you driving around past it, it would have blown up anyway right?

I dunno something along these lines?


Keep it range limited so that it doesnt go beyond a certain range and not to limited so that the radius blows the device within a safeISH distance.


Meh nothing is perfect -_-

Bloody Ieds.
 
Here's an idea to throw in....how about sharing our nuclear deterrent with France? They're pretty much the same thing anyway - SSBNs on deep quiet patrol in the North Atlantic. Draw up a deal that says either side can push the button and hey presto - costs cut in half!
 
Here's an idea to throw in....how about sharing our nuclear deterrent with France? They're pretty much the same thing anyway - SSBNs on deep quiet patrol in the North Atlantic. Draw up a deal that says either side can push the button and hey presto - costs cut in half!

I can;t even begin to imagine how much that would cost in bureaucracy.
 
Great till you go to war with France which historically we do.

True, but this could be a solution for the next 40 years when our interests are very likely to be more or less aligned. This way we both retain submarine building and nuclear weapons knowledge and capability, and can take another decision in 40 years when the time comes to renew the next generation of submarines.

We actually already share a lot of capability with NATO countries. Eg the UK is seen as a leader in anti-submarine warfare, the French in minesweeping etc. In this way we've been able to have access to the best of everything, without every country individually having to pay for its own capability.

The UK also regularly controls the movements, allocates waterspace, issues Rules of Engagement etc to French and other friendly submarines while in UK and North Atlantic waters. A lot of the 'bureaucracy' already exists!
 
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Here's an idea to throw in....how about sharing our nuclear deterrent with France? They're pretty much the same thing anyway - SSBNs on deep quiet patrol in the North Atlantic. Draw up a deal that says either side can push the button and hey presto - costs cut in half!
No thanks.

A nuclear deterrent should strictly speaking be fully autonomous and independent. As it is Trident is too close to the US.

What happens if an Adolf-a-like crops in in Paris in ten years time?
 
No thanks.

A nuclear deterrent should strictly speaking be fully autonomous and independent. As it is Trident is too close to the US.

What happens if an Adolf-a-like crops in in Paris in ten years time?

Then you would shove your head between your knees and kiss your arse good bye ;)
 
Serious question, not sure if anyone else here will know, but why does it require 4 subs to maintain a continuous at sea deterrence? I would have thoughts 3 could be the minimum? 1 in refit/service, 1 out at sea, 1 waiting to go out.
 
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