7.1 Headset question

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I'm looking into getting a 7.1 headset of some sort because I'm moving into a flat soon and don't want a sub waking the neighbours up and my medusa 5.1 headset is starting to give up after MANY years.

After a quick look I've found the Razer Megalodon and the Logitech G35. Both looks nice and tasty, but I'm put off by the fact that they're both USB.

Are there any good headsets that I can drive directly from my Xonar D2X? Or is that overkill for a headset?

Cheers
 
Why are you looking at getting 5.1/7.1 headphones when you have a Xonar D2X, which has Dolby Headphone? I won't question why you have the Medusa's, as you probably bought them before you got a Xonar. Would I be right in thinking, you don't know what Dolby Headphone does? or do you believe that 5.1/7.1 headphones are so called 'true', and that what Dolby Headphone offers is merely virtual?

I can understand why some people prefer to get 5.1/7.1 headphones. For anyone who doesn't have a sound device/card that offers CMSS 3D or Dolby Headphone, or intend to buy one, 5.1/7.1 headphones can give surround sound. When someone has a sound card like a Xonar, or an X-Fi, and has 5.1/7.1 headphones aswell, makes me wonder why one bought the sound card in the first place.

Saw a thread not long back, someone bought the Roccat Kave's, and was massively disappointed with the sound quality. Says it all really.

Get a nice pair of stereo headphones, that are about sound quality, and not about trying to cram in multiple drivers in order to provide surround sound. Unless of course you care not for sound quality, but then, why buy a Xonar if that is the case.
 
I don't profess to have a huge knowledge of all the features of the Xonar D2X. I wanted a nice performing sound card to boost the performance of my speakers. You're right, I've had the medusa headset for ages and have only really used it for the attached mic recently.

Just had a quick look around for Dolby Headphone, seems pretty awesome. Can anyone tell me from first hand experience that it really is worth splashing out on a decent stereo pair of headphones (I'm now looking at Sennheiser HD 555 or 595s).

Another quick question, are headsets advertised as 5.1/7.1 merely providing their own virtualised solution? I never questioned it when I got the medusas when I was still in school!
 
Can anyone tell me from first hand experience that it really is worth splashing out on a decent stereo pair of headphones (I'm now looking at Sennheiser HD 555 or 595s).

Speaking here as a user who had 3 Medusa's over the years and then broke them and bought Sennheiser 555's as a replacement.

A good quality stereo headset will completely and utterly p*ss over a gimmicky 5.1, 7.1 headset. And I speak having had both and being amazed at the difference :)
 
That's what I thought. Have done a lot of reading online now and am thinking I might just go for some Beyer DT880s or AKG K701s.

I was thinking about the 555s, but I have money to burn ;)

Cheers, for the advice
 
Beyer DT770s are reputed to have excellent synergy with Dolby Headphone and the DT880s aren't supposed to be bad either. Vanilla models are better than the pros.

From personal experience I would recommend Goldring DR150s or NS1000s, both of which offer great value for money and punch well above their respective price brackets.
 
I use an X-Fi Xtreme Music for gaming, which has CMSS 3D, which essentially is very similar to Dolby Headphone in what it does. I do also have a Xonar, which is in my media PC, but I have used it for gaming on the odd occasion, just to see what DH is like for gaming. Both CMSS 3D and DH work very well for positional sound in games, using stereo headphones, but DH I find is slightly superior due to my headphones (Goldring DR150's) being more suited to DH than CMSS 3D. One area where DH completely outshines CMSS 3D is when watching films if headphones are used.

DH and CMSS 3D uses algorithms and cues to fool the brain into thinking the sound is coming from a specific location, which is virtual. This seems to bug some people who are fans of 5.1/7.1 headphones, as they use multiple drivers in each ear cup, so the sound is really coming from the rear of the ear cup for eg. However, 5.1/7.1 is clever marketing really by the companies that sell them. A 7.1 speaker layout, uses side speakers, in headphones how does that differ from 5.1 though? as the drivers at placed at the side of ones head anyway, so it's not as if 5.1 headphones don't have side speakers/drivers. Some fans of 5.1/7.1 headphones call them 'true' and what DH provides etc, is merely virtual. A true 5.1/7.1 speaker system involves careful speaker placement, and the sound reacts with the room and with the users body. How is slapping multiple drivers onto either side of ones head 'true' 5.1/7.1?

5.1/7.1 headphones use multiple drivers, whereas stereo headphones use 2. Which will provide better sound quality? a bunch of cheaper drivers, or 2 better quality ones?

For anyone who doesn't give a flying monkeys about sound quality, and doesn't want to buy a gaming sound card, then 5.1/7.1 headphones should suit them fine. So they do have their place. For anyone with a Xonar DX/D1 or above, or a X-Fi Xtreme Gamer/Music or above, to go and buy 5.1/.7.1 headphones, makes that sound card a worthless purchase IMO, if they are only going to use headphones.

Goldring DR150 or NS1000 are worth considering, they are great headphones and have very good synergy with Dolby Headphone. Sennheiser's HD555/595 seem to have a better synergy with CMSS 3D found on X-Fi's, however they will work fine with DH, just as my Goldring's work fine CMSS 3D, despite having a better synergy with DH.

Just go for the ones that appeal to you, or you wallet the most. I will say though, that the HD595's at £120-130 are expensive IMO. When you consider the Goldring's can be bought for half that, makes me wonder if the HD595 are with £120-130. Yes, they are better, but worth double? I'm not so sure. Of course though, we all have different ears, and the way we perceive sound is different. Might explain why some do like multiple driver headphones, but from what I have seen, the majority prefer DH/CMSS 3D + stereo headphones when they have tried both solutions. Some might feel the £120-130 price tag of the HD595 is justified, which is fair enough if the person is happy with them and the price paid, as they are certainly very good headphones.
 
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That's what I thought. Have done a lot of reading online now and am thinking I might just go for some Beyer DT880s or AKG K701s.

I was thinking about the 555s, but I have money to burn ;)

Cheers, for the advice

One thing to consider, some headphones require more juice than others, and require a dedicated headphone amplifier. I'm not certain about the Beyer's, as I haven't looked into their headphones much, but the AKG K701 definitely require power than the D2X, or any sound card can provide, that doesn't have a dedicated headphone amp. You could have course, use an external headphone amp, if you wanted to get some 'harder to drive' headphones.
 
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I might just go for some Beyer DT880s or AKG K701s.

I was thinking about the 555s, but I have money to burn ;)

Cheers, for the advice

I have the k702s(the very same but with a more modular design) and I absolutely love them. Every negative I've heard about them is absolute nonsense. They don't lack bass at all, they just don't have any boomy bloated bass. I listen to a lot of varied music and have found they work with everything from drum and bass, folk, metal, to rap and punk. The soundstage is quite something and with them being so open, I've more than once had to check if my speakers are on. The detail and seperation are amazing.

They are really big, like UFOs on the side of your head, but super comfy. the padding is excellent and the headstrap/suspension system works a treat. I would strongly suggest you amp them and if you are one of the younglings that has been brought up on boomy/muddy bass, to give your ears a chance to adjust. They also have a famously long burn in time and improve with age.

But I'm a devoted fan of the k701/2 and everyone has different tastes, so it would be ideal if you could listen to a pair that have been broken in and amped before you buy, they aren't cheap.

Just to go over the bass thing again. This is a example of a track(The Panacea - The Puritan) that would utterly fail with a lack of bass and it sounds fantastic via the k701/2, best I've heard it. Taste aside, you might hate it, but it's make or break regards bass.
 
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The DT880s come in different impedances, 32/250/600. I could get the 32 ohm version and be happy I guess. But if I want to future proof myself a bit (other words for saying, I'll eventually get a proper amp etc for my living room) would I be better off buying the 250 ohm version or some K701s with a wee amp?

Also, can anyone suggest shops in the UK I can demo these sorts of headphones?
 
I would listen to the people recommending the dr150s, you don't have to jump right in at the deepend. They'll at least be a point of reference if you decide to upgrade later on. I started with sr80s and I'm glad I had them to compare to the k702s. Unless of course you really are just looking to offload a wedge of cash, then go right ahead!

I've no real world experience with the beyers, I'm afraid.


With the k70x and amps, you can really go as expensive as you like and they'll scale. But headphone amps don't have to cost an arm and a leg. You can get one of these on the bay and the bang for buck is astronomical. I don't think I've had the pleasure of dealing with a nicer individual, very helpful and it's a small business/hobbyist based in the UK, hard to beat that. It does say "portable" and it is, but it's not something you would want to drop on a foot sporting a sandal. If you google "neco soundlab" his ebay shop should be the first result. If you are feeling a bit flusher and flashier, he does a bigger desktop amp, but it's getting into the "serious money" bracket when you add in the optional upgrades he offers. It will sound a bit better than the portable, but not 60 sheets better. diminishing returns, etc.

There's even cheaper in the form of the Fiio amps, the e5 is really cheap, less than 20 sterlings even. But I've no first hand experience and I wouldn't like to bet on it driving k701s

Check around for local hi-fi places and ask if they demo headphones, I doubt any of the bigger chain types will do it.


EDIT: I took a chance on the k702s, the price was right and they checked all my criteria. Some people just don't live anywhere like close to a decent hi-fi shop, I'm one of them.
 
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If you are willing to go further afield, the Airhead and Bithead(built in DAC) amps are excellent value for money, headphone.com make and sell those. I've owned the Airhead(regret selling it now) and it was a fantastic bit of kit. The Bithead would replace your soundcard, or mean you didn't have to buy one.
 
If you're a gamer, I would strongly advise against a plain DAC amp to replace the soundcard.

Nothing wrong with DACs but gaming audio is just not usually good enough to go down the purest stereo route. The audio is simulated and both Dolby Headphone and CMSS-3D Headphone add significantly to the realism of the simulation. There are a few games where the audio is designed with a headphone mode but these are few and far between. Game audio has few of the spatial cues of a live stereo (not to mention binaural) recording and listening to this without appropriately compensating for its inate inadequacy and lack of realism is like a step back to mid 90s technology.

Spdif out from a soundcard to a DAC would be fine as an upgrade option though.
 
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