The West Wing!?

Also, if Two Cathedrals is the best episode (which by far and away it is), any nominations for the worst? I'd go with The Long Goodbye, the one with CJ and her Dad. The West Wing doesn't seem to do CJ-centric episodes very well, Access (the 'documentary' about CJ) was rubbish as well.



It certainly wasn't the worst, but there's clearly a big shark being jumped over there. It would have made a great made-for-TV film, and the acting was top-notch, but it simply wasn't TWW. It's almost like they sat down and said: "OK, how do we get Alison Janney her Emmy this series?" and wrote the episode just for that. The series never properly recovered, and disappeared into a different (and silly) world the next series.


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(And I disagree with "Two Cathedrals": I prefer the double episode which opened series two. Two Cathedrals tries too hard. )
 
Happy Birthday Martin Sheen!

'Jed Bartlet' is 70 today and still making movies (despite almost dying from a bad heart over 30 years ago).

Here's to another 70 years!


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IT is superb, and a lot of the situations are good, getting into wars and things and politically semi accurate. But rewatching it while a bit older and wiser and more up to date with how politics works, they actually got almost smeg all done in their entire time and were an incredibly bad political team, failing with almost everything they did, with the only wins being against the speaker over the failure to reach a budget.

The drama was good, the inter character stuff often good, they added comedy often enough and in a witty way that it was a great show.

Amy was almost always brilliant in it, Stockard Channing, with one of the most ridiculous names ever, had some brilliant series and some awful ones where they kept her out of it a lot, not sure what is going on with her.

Immensely watchable series, not sure Two Cathedrals is the best, the Josh/Sheen getting shot episodes, the multipart Zoe kidnapped eps are probably the best. THe putting the team together ones were pretty decent aswell. I also agree on the Alison Janney ones, not very good at all.

THe last series, as much as I like Jimmy Smitts in other things, was pretty poor, most of the campaign stuff on the road was pretty dire, though a lot of stuff with Will/people back in the whitehouse was good.

EDIT:- The episode with Glenn Close and the "evil republican" and getting them on the Supreme court was also very very good, the writing and the characters were writen superbly.
 
I have the season box sets for this and really enjoyed it.

Aaron Sorkin's previous series to this, Sports Night (set in a cable sports news channel) was also very good.

I never know anyone, ever who has even heard of Sports Night let alone seen it, though I'd say its more absolutely fantastic than just very good, truly brilliantly done. Great characters, great comedy, great great great cast and considering its a short show, and only 2 series how absolutely it involves you in the characters lives and how likeable yet completely different they all are is a huge achievement.

But then, thats Sorkin's thing really, shame it was canceled, hmm, was going to say its a shame it never made it to the UK but apparently it did air, 6 and 8 years or something after it was made, on ABC1, though I guess in my uni years I missed that, still didn't know anyone who watched it.

Studio 60 was also truly superb, and again a shame it was canceled, great writing, funny, brilliantly made, brilliant cast, brilliant characters.
 
I stopped watching before she showed up. I didn't even realise Close had appeared in the show.

AH, it was only a single episode based around her being elected as the Supreme court, chairwoman IIRC. She was really very very good in it and I'm not normally a Close fan at all, and the guy who played her ultra right wing opposite was truly brilliant in it, they assumed he was a gay hating, truly abhorant human being but turns out he just messes around and mostly just dislikes the way the government is trying to force rules, rather than the rules themselves and their "argueing" is just incredibly well writen.
 
But then, thats Sorkin's thing really, shame it was canceled, hmm, was going to say its a shame it never made it to the UK but apparently it did air, 6 and 8 years or something after it was made, on ABC1, though I guess in my uni years I missed that, still didn't know anyone who watched it.

I did. For a while there with Sports Night and Home Improvement on ABC1 was the greatest channel ever.
 
But then, thats Sorkin's thing really, shame it was canceled, hmm, was going to say its a shame it never made it to the UK but apparently it did air, 6 and 8 years or something after it was made, on ABC1, though I guess in my uni years I missed that, still didn't know anyone who watched it.

I vaguely remember seeing a couple of episodes on ABC1 but my real knowledge of the series was from importing the DVD boxset of both series from the US when it was released over there. I was enjoying the West Wing and wanted to see if anything else by Sorkin was any good.

It was a blind buy but I was definitely not disappointed. I think that Dear Louise was my favourite episode (writers block!)
 
But rewatching it while a bit older and wiser and more up to date with how politics works, they actually got almost smeg all done in their entire time and were an incredibly bad political team, failing with almost everything they did, with the only wins being against the speaker over the failure to reach a budget.



First of all, there are several episodes where the team complain about how little they have managed to get done politically. It's a important part of the second series for instance. Second of all, it is quite common in the US for the Legislature to water down/shoot down laws drafted by the Executive. If the two are run by opposite parties (as is true for most/all of TWW) then this is the default situation. Of course it's also far more interesting dramatically as well.

The biggest problem I had with the two last series was how rubbish Josh was as a campaign manager. Ever time he argued with Santos, Santos was right. So why on earth did he employ Josh? And where did Josh's political skills go at the end of series four?


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I vaguely remember seeing a couple of episodes on ABC1 but my real knowledge of the series was from importing the DVD boxset of both series from the US when it was released over there. I was enjoying the West Wing and wanted to see if anything else by Sorkin was any good.

It was a blind buy but I was definitely not disappointed. I think that Dear Louise was my favourite episode (writers block!)

SAme ish, my brother tends to read up on new shows and checks a couple us tv based forums to see whats good/whats not. He got the boxset in whenever it was released as you did, I watched it with no expectations, he didn't even say it was a Sorkin show, I just put it on and was blown away by how good it was.
 
Just started watching this for the first time, just a few episodes in and I am already hooked. It is really well written, very witty and the characters are all completely lovable.

I have tried watching The Soprano's but it didn't have that factor that made me want to keep watching episode after episode like this does. Have got the boxset on order of all 7 series. Can't wait for it to arrive.
 
imho, Best show made :)

Enjoy it, wish I could watch it for the first time again. Although I still tend to watch it through every so often :p

I actually love most of the characters :)
 
love this show, my dad got me watching it, he had it on once when i came home and since then i've been hooked, lost track how many times i've watched the whole lot, i tend to watch it all at least once a year
 
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