Would I be arrested?

Was there a time when police officers were allowed to use their discretion more than today? Hasn't everything got too complicated, generally?

There must be some officers that obviously have no choice but to carry out the duties of the law but may not necessarily like or agree with all apsects of a particular law.
 
arc@css said:
Was there a time when police officers were allowed to use their discretion more than today?
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Yes and things where much more corrupt.


Hasn't everything got too complicated, generally?
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Ok say you're an officer, you are called to some disturbance outside a pub, there's on guy standing with bloody knuckles over another lying on the ground.

He says "I was defending my self"

Do you just let him off?

What if he's lying?
 
Maximum Triceratops said:
Hi ladies, ok following on from the cinema chav thread it got me thinking, if I was there when the lad was being puched and I went to help him out and knocked a couple of the chavs out in the process, would I get arrested for assault?
Maybe one of the resident Police Officers could answer this?
Cheers
Maximum

*Edit* sorry never made it clear, I think I probably would be arrested but my question is, would I likely be charged and found guilty of assault?
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Section 24 of PACE gives members of the public a power of arrest in certain circumstances.

Section 3 of the Criminal Law Act allows reasonable force to do so.

Police do not have an all seeing crystal ball and often have to make a decision on the spot and that means that innocent parties who have tried to help can end up being arrested as there may be reasonable grounds to do so.

As Tefal says, being arrested does not mean you must be charged.

If CCTV and independent witnesses correlate your actions then all the better.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Section 24 of PACE gives members of the public a power of arrest in certain circumstances.

Section 3 of the Criminal Law Act allows reasonable force to do so.

Police do not have an all seeing crystal ball and often have to make a decision on the spot and that means that innocent parties who have tried to help can end up being arrested as there may be reasonable grounds to do so.

As Tefal says, being arrested does not mean you must be charged.

If CCTV and independent witnesses correlate your actions then all the better.
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True a lot of it is down to the officer in charge at the time.

This got me thinking about 20 years back when I lived in Canada I came home to find some little scroat rifleing through my house.

I gave him a good going over and then phoned the cops.

They showed up, saw the kid and asked me what happened.

I said "well officer as I came in the back door he tried to make a run for the front door and he must have tripped or something because he fell down the stairs"

Cop kind of gave me a sideways look because he knew it was not true but he just sighed and said ok then and took the kid away.

another officer would have charged we with assault, it all depends.
 
Larkspeed said:
Cop kind of gave me a sideways look because he knew it was not true but he just sighed and said ok then and took the kid away.

another officer would have charged we with assault, it all depends.
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bit dodgy, how did he know you didn't grab the kid from the street drag him inside and give him a bit of beating?
 
Larkspeed said:
I said "well officer as I came in the back door he tried to make a run for the front door and he must have tripped or something because he fell down the stairs"
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Nice one.

It is certainly more convincing that ' Well officer as I came in the back door he tried to make a run for the front door and he must have tripped and fell down two flights of stairs and on to some bullets. '
 
yes you would most likely be arrested
being charged / found guilty all depends on if your use of force was a reasonable use of force (for which suprisingly there is no definition!)
 
scorza said:
Yes undoubtedly. Your actions will be micro-analysed after the fact in a cold light and it will be almost impossible for you to intervene without using what the law regards unreasonable force.
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Rubbish, reasonable force is enough force required to stop them and the law isn't picky, if you see it, go get a bat come in and knock them out and break their legs, you'll be done. if you jump in to stop someone getting hurt, its 2 on 1, you do what it takes to get them off the hurt person and you, if that involves knocking them out because they won't stop, thats fine.

If you knock them both out, then jump up and down on them in a victory chance, you'll be screwed.
 
Tefal said:
Yes and things where much more corrupt.




Ok say you're an officer, you are called to some disturbance outside a pub, there's on guy standing with bloody knuckles over another lying on the ground.

He says "I was defending my self"

Do you just let him off?

What if he's lying?
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Also because the guy on the ground, when he comes around, and his 8 little chav friends will all be saying you beat him up for no reason and the guy on the floor never threw a punch, its correct for an officer to get supposed victim's and attackers down the station to interview them individually AND question the witness's NOT infront of a group of 8 chav friends who they really don't feel like backing up the guy who beat up their friend right infront of them.

I'd prefer they arrest me, do their job, and find the other guy guilty than take majority vote at the incident, or just randomly guess whose telling the truth.
 
Just curious Von. Let's assume you turn up onto a scene similar to one which Castiel mentioned whereby he's apprehended or somehow detained people until your arrival but you still need to detain all parties so you can formally work out the truth.

Let's assume you had to arrest the innocent party. Now, let's also assume that the innocent party obviously being a 'stand up' citizen is ashamed and embarrassed at the thought of being arrested and becoming a public specticle as you escort him to your police-car. If said party - showing no signs of agitation or violence - politely requested that you allow him to accompany you to the police station rather than being arrested and marched out, would you (or rather, under what conditions would such a thing be allowed) allow this?

Equally, let's change the situation to one where you have no chance of forumlating any assumptions of who's right and who's wrong and one of the parties again requested in complete honesty and sincerety to willingly walk with you to the car without the need for handcuffs. Obviously, you're wary of the suspect running away, but under what conditions would you abstain from using the cuffs?
 
You would probably be charged yes.


What I find funny is how some people think stamping on the head of someone is okay because they knocked someone out.
But knocking a burglar out in your house with a bat or knocking out someone in the process of nicking your car stereo is not allowed :confused:.
 
snowdog said:
You would probably be charged yes.


What I find funny is how some people think stamping on the head of someone is okay because they knocked someone out.
But knocking a burglar out in your house with a bat or knocking out someone in the process of nicking your car stereo is not allowed :confused:.
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Stomping on someones head will usually kill them the vast majority of the time. Im not really sure where all that nonsense is comming from..

People who think its ok, obviously dont realise that, commiting murder in public with loads of people about is a rookie mistake!
 
platinum87 said:
Stomping on someones head will usually kill them the vast majority of the time. Im not really sure where all that nonsense is comming from..

People who think its ok, obviously dont realise that, commiting murder in public with loads of people about is a rookie mistake!
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Platinum, are you genuinely a sociopath or do you just like pretending to be one?
 
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