Jesus Christ! Don't forget to put your seat belts on!

groen said:
Oh the whole paradox of having something to hide if you do not obey and comply with the police like a good little worker drone ?
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Thats right. In this country, we have laws. One of these laws is that if you are indicated to pull over by a police officer, you must do so. It is not optional.
 
groen said:
Oh the whole paradox of having something to hide if you do not obey and comply with the police like a good little worker drone ?

How about the police take their penalty notice for a seat belt and ram it up their macho bum.
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How about refraining from breaking the laws of the country you live in?
You're that kid that wore Che Guevara shirts and never understood the sheer idiocy of doing so, and hung hammer and sickle flags on your wall aren't you?
Yeah man, like stick it to the man, man, that's cool man.
 
groen said:
But if you look at it from another perspective. No one was injured and no one was a victim here. The police caused trouble by harassing someone about wearing a seat belt in his own car.

Bottom line is that if the police did not start the trouble in the first place this guy would have just kept driving.
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It's the law, you have to wear a seatbelt and it's part of their job to make sure motorists are wearing seatbelts.
 
groen said:
I can always see i am getting my moneys worth when i see such great police work. I hope they got the forensics on this one.
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I hope you don't ever need the Police. I feel sorry for any Officer who has to deal with you. You don't visit Hampshire often do you?
 
[TW]Fox;17101006 said:
You have to consider the thought processes involved at the time!

You are a traffic cop. You pull a guy in a black Range Rover with an illegal plate over for a trivial offence of driving without a seatbelt. A £30 fixed penalty notice, thats it. No big deal. But no, this guy decides he's not having that, and he drives off at the scene.

90% of the time of somebody makes a break for it, its because they have done something far more serious and assume the police already know about it, or will find out about it. Perhaps he's just done a robbery, perhaps he's got some seriously bad stuff in the car? Who knows - all you know is that you pulled him over for a minor offence and he's legged it.

So back in the car, blues on... and he doesnt pull over. He carries on. For 17 minutes.

What are you thinking now? If you are a police officer worth his salt, you are thinking 'Something is wrong here, we need to stop this guy right now'. You finally stop him, are approaching the car. Do you walk up all politely like before? Hell no.

You leg it up, shock the driver by shattering a window, and get him out of the car before he can take off again.

Great, we can pull it apart afterwards from our armchairs with the benefit of hindsight but if anyone here would have reacted any differently they'd make a crap police officer.

What if he'd just performed a robbery and had a load of stuff in the boot? Had you just let him go on his way and caught up with him later you'd never know...
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All I see is what if's.

You cant live life like that, unless you are thinking we should all live in a world like Minority report.

What if my neighbours a pedo?

What if I walk past people carry weapons every day?

What if someone tries to mug me with a knife? Should I wear a stab vest everytime I leave the house?
 
I hope you don't ever need the Police. I feel sorry for any Officer who has to deal with you. You don't live in Hampshire do you?
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I hope i never need the police either and no i don't live in Hampshire, so you are lucky. Although i did at one point and did deal with the police in one occasion and i thought they were useless.
 
TangoSixteen said:
All I see is what if's.

You cant live life like that, unless you are thinking we should all live in a world like Minority report.

What if my neighbours a pedo?

What if I walk past people carry weapons every day?

What if someone tries to mug me with a knife? Should I wear a stab vest everytime I leave the house?
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What if you ever posted something that contained merit?

Are you suggesting that if the police pull somebody over and the decide that actually, they dont want that and speed off, they should just let them be? Can you hoenstly comprehend the consequences of a policy like that?
 
TangoSixteen said:
All I see is what if's.

You cant live life like that, unless you are thinking we should all live in a world like Minority report.

What if my neighbours a pedo?

What if I walk past people carry weapons every day?

What if someone tries to mug me with a knife? Should I wear a stab vest everytime I leave the house?
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If a Police Officer doesn't make these dynamic risk assessments and act accordingly he'll soon be seriously injured or killed.
 
groen said:
But if you look at it from another perspective. No one was injured and no one was a victim here. T
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ok, I understand that point of view but what would be the out come if the police didn't stop hi and he mounted the curb into a crowded bus shelter, which the range rover would demolish. They'd be out cry against the police for not stopping. The police are damned if they do stop a vehicle and damned if they don't.
Lets way up the facts here:
old man
* The guy had known history with the police
* guy had been caught with out insurance/tax/mot before
* had made false accusations of assault against a other police officers
* had driven off when pulled,
* attempted to run over a police man
* refused to pull over for 17minutes and was only stopped by use of stinger

the police
* two smashed windows on a car.


Yep this reporting isn't one sided at all
 
TangoSixteen said:
All I see is what if's.

You cant live life like that, unless you are thinking we should all live in a world like Minority report.

What if my neighbours a pedo?

What if I walk past people carry weapons every day?

What if someone tries to mug me with a knife? Should I wear a stab vest everytime I leave the house?
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Stupid post is stupid.

You really think good policing in that situation would have been "oh look he is driving away, he's probably late home or something. Nevermind."

When someone legs it from the Police, it is safe to say they usually have a reason they don't want the Police being interested in them. Unfortunately, in this case the driver was a plonker.
 
[TW]Fox;17101055 said:
Thats right. In this country, we have laws. One of these laws is that if you are indicated to pull over by a police officer, you must do so. It is not optional.
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Yeah and?

Lets get some CONTEXT here FFS.

He hasnt just gang raped an old peoples home, whilst being high on crack with the proceeds from his morning mugging has he?

He is an old guy calming driving home obeying all traffic laws, who happens to make a mistake. But no..... the Police go all Lethal Weapon 26. Its ludicrous.

Just as ludicrous as the idiots who held the G20 protestors in an UNDERGROUND station, trapping them for hours.

They should have been charged with kidnap.
 
SiriusB said:
Stupid post is stupid.

You really think good policing in that situation would have been "oh look he is driving away, he's probably late home or something. Nevermind."

When someone legs it from the Police, it is safe to say they usually have a reason they don't want the Police being interested in them. Unfortunately, in this case the driver was a plonker.
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I said it was about context...

They should have followed this up, in the correct manner already posted by a somone in this thread.

The very fact they are suspended tells you all you need to know doesnt it??
 
ok, I understand that point of view but what would be the out come if the police didn't stop hi and he mounted the curb into a crowded bus shelter, which the range rover would demolish. They'd be out cry against the police for not stopping. The police are damned if they do stop a vehicle and damned if they don't.
Lets way up the facts here:
old man
* The guy had known history with the police
* guy had been caught with out insurance/tax/mot before
* had made false accusations of assault against a other police officers
* had driven off when pulled,
* attempted to run over a police man
* refused to pull over for 17minutes and was only stopped by use of stinger

the police
* two smashed windows on a car.


Yep this reporting isn't one sided at all
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Good point. But then this a case where the individual is ****ed off with police in general or before hand due to previous harassment and they pulled him over for a seat belt or something that he may have considered to be the police giving him a hard time and he got angry and ****ed the police off.
 
TangoSixteen said:
snip.
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Nice, you have 20/20 hindsight but are completely failing to see the total picture.
At the time the police officers have no idea about prior events, all they no is that a car has refused to stop, If any viechle refuse to stop it has to be treated as a massive risk to both the officers and civilians, the driver mad the choice off the officers by driving away risking the lives of over road users, the fault lies squarely at the drivers feet.
groen said:
Good point. But then this a case where the individual is ****ed off with police in general or before hand due to previous harassment and they pulled him over for a seat belt or something that he may have considered to be the police giving him a hard time and he got angry and ****ed the police off.
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The seat belt law like many laws i.e wearing helmets, isn't just for the drivers safety it is also for the people that have to deal and witness when they aren't enforced, I know a paramedic that had multiple months of because he had to witness the effect of a small girl in the passenger seat whilst not wearing a seat belt.
the decision which led to this farce was made by the old man driving off, if he had admitted to the fault this would never have happened
 
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Lets face it too, the papers reports what it wants with 1 thing in mind.

Sell papers.

"Police acting appropriately" doesn't sell nearly as many papers as "Police Brutality on an old defenceless confused man".
 
TangoSixteen said:
He is an old guy calming driving home obeying all traffic laws
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No he wasn't, read the above posts.


I really can't see the problem with this.
If people watch the vid out of context and without he full facts then some will be outraged no doubt and start "OMG TEH POLISE R ABUSIN DER POWARS" Facebook group. But there's nothing wrong with what happened there and I think the Police do a very tough but good job of things.
 
Has any sane, innocent person ever been tailed by police with their blues and twos on for 17 whole minutes and thought they were getting an escort home?

Seriously, you're either mental or you're taking the pee.
 
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