Why is Racism Unacceptable but Homophobia is Acceptable?

hurfdurf said:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/514477

Now look at all the horror stories and statistics of kids in foster homes.
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hurfdurf said:
And while im taking time to google very basic common sense.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/in_business.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/racism_at_work.stm

Doesn't get more British than the BBC
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Has nothing to do with homosexual parents.
 
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[TW]Fox;17020481 said:
Has nothing to do with homosexual parents.
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Was just going back to why gay pride and black history month exists.
 
Warlord_1011 said:
Im by no means religious, however i do believe that homosexuality is wrong.
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Why?

If a person wishes to carry out homosexual acts in the privacy of their own home then yes they can, however then going on to be married in a civil partnership, and to then adopt children is wrong.
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Again, why?

This is because it indoctrinates the children into believing it is "the correct way of living".
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i) No, it doesn't. It shows them that it's a possible way of living, which isn't the same thing at all.

ii) You're using circular "logic". You're arguing that it's wrong because it doesn't teach children that it's wrong. That makes no sense. You're making an assumption that it's wrong and then using that assumption as if it was proof of the assumption.

When you look at the human race we are not put here for a reason, all we are, are bacteria what made the right choices to improve, and to develop, to reproduce and spread.

Homosexuality fits no-where in that process
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Neither do most people - should we kill them?

If you're just talking about reproduction, then you're still wrong. Firstly, humanity is in no danger of dying out from population loss. There are too many people, not too few. Secondly, homosexuality is nowhere near common enough to have much of an effect on birthrate anyway. Unless you're arguing that homosexuality is so wonderful that most people would be homosexual if they had a free choice, your argument makes no sense. Thirdly, many heterosexual couples can't have children for a variety of reasons. Either you oppose them marrying and adopting children or you're lying. Which is it?

Like Murder, it happens but it doesnt mean its right,
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You've capitalised 'Murder', so you're actually referring to the game. Which is very bizarre.

If you're referring to murder, then you're still being bizarre. A loving relationship between adults cannot sanely be compared to murder.

You have failed to provide any reason why you think homosexuality is wrong.
 
Well you can't prove that anything is wrong unless if you assume something else is wrong... Why is murder wrong? Because it ends the life of someone prematurely. Why is it wrong to end someone's life prematurely? Because that person had a right to live their life without someone else ending it early perhaps? But why does that person have a right to live their life without it being ended early? Because people say it is? Who is to decide what is right or wrong?

Of course, everyone knows that murder is wrong, but a few hundred years ago, the vast majority of people would have believed homosexuality to be wrong. I'm not saying that that makes it wrong... Just that from a secular point of view, you can't really prove that anything is wrong without assuming something else is wrong first.
 
ordinaryjoe said:
Well you can't prove that anything is wrong unless if you assume something else is wrong... Why is murder wrong? Because it ends the life of someone prematurely. Why is it wrong to end someone's life prematurely? Because that person had a right to live their life without someone else ending it early perhaps? But why does that person have a right to live their life without it being ended early? Because people say it is? Who is to decide what is right or wrong?

Of course, everyone knows that murder is wrong, but a few hundred years ago, the vast majority of people would have believed homosexuality to be wrong. I'm not saying that that makes it wrong... Just that from a secular point of view, you can't really prove that anything is wrong without assuming something else is wrong first.
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Granted, but for something like murder you can construct a logical and self-consistent argument as to why it's wrong, starting from an agreed principle. Murder harms people.

That is different to arguing that something is wrong because it's wrong and putting that up as a rational argument. That's worse than saying "it's wrong because I say so". At least "it's wrong because I said so" makes some sense.
 
hurfdurf said:
No one can, see my "people are dumb" explanation. Notice how a lot of people dont return to the thread?
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Probably because they got bored with you trying to equte the way in which African Americans were treated institutionally with how Homosexuals are treated in the UK. When neither is representative of each other at all.
 
Castiel said:
Probably because they got bored with you trying to equte the way in which African Americans were treated institutionally with how Homosexuals are treated in the UK. When neither is representative of each other at all.
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I was giving examples as to why things like black history month, gay pride and women's right groups exists. You don't see the correlation between one set of minorities who are grossly mistreated being given equal rights and protection under the law as another?

"Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical integrity and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, national origin, age, and individual rights such as the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement."

Look how shunned racists and people who believe women should be 2nd class to men are now? In 30 years time that will hopefully be homophobes.

A lot of the homophobes simply didn't come back to the thread when their view was shown to be stupid, probably to preserve their dignity and so they can continue having their opinion without having to justify something which can't be when put under scrutiny.
 
This thread is odd.

It went from racism to talking about which hole smells of poop and posting your BF.

At least now I have confirmation that no thread can ever remain on topic in GD :p
 
Gay couples can have a civil partnership.

Marriage is a sacred matrimonial, don't blame society if a 2000+ year old organisation doesn't suddenly want to change their rules for you.
 
franco_22 said:
Gay couples can have a civil partnership.

Marriage is a sacred matrimonial, don't blame society if a 2000+ year old organisation doesn't suddenly want to change their rules for you.
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Now why would you jump into an inane thread resurrection with a valid and reasonable point? You've got a lot to learn, sonny.

Edit: On-topic too, of all things. Kids today.
 
Kethridge said:
You can't choose your race.

You can choose your sexuality.

This beith the reason.

(I have not read the whole thread because it was far too long)
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TL;DR means ban

Probably for the best, because if you'd read the thread you would have realised that every spacewasting brainfart that's tried to validate that opinion so far has been ridiculed and retreated from the thread in shame. Thanks for chipping in, though. I'll know what to expect from you next time.
 
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