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Does anyone else spot the irony?
It's not a matter that they are too good for it. It's very hard to move to a different country, specially if you do it alone, believe me I know, I'm currently living in Canada and I have lived in Holland and Portugal before. The problem is, you have to think if it's worth your effort and a lot of times, money is what drives this world.
Why do so many immigrants come to this country or the US? So they can work hard and try and make something of themselves and then hopefully help their families abroad. If I left my parents, my girlfriend and the rest of my family here to go somewhere else just so I could have a somewhat decent job that would be selfish of me and completely pointless as what am I going to do, send them 50 euros a month?
Look at places like Africa, South America and even some European countries where Canada, the US, the UK and other rich countries are literally causing a brain drain on them, all the AIDS experts in Africa are moving to Canada and the US and all the high skilled labour of Poland or Portugal are moving to the UK. I don't wish that to happen to England, let's keep our graduates and try and find them jobs shall we?
Personally, I couldn't move much anyway, my field is too specific, a law degree from England won't be much use to me outside Scotland or Wales.
In the end it all comes down to what people are willing to do and personal circumstances, but moving out of your country should not be necessary or tempting, after all, if that happens it will be a very sad day for the UK, once a gold mine for immigrants, now we have to do the same thing
.Not really, they just can't speak any other language than good old English.
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There are zero jobs in Local Authorities, Where I work all recruitment has frozen and its only going to get worse
I graduated this year with an MEng Chemical Engineering degree from the University of Sheffield, looked for jobs and options after final exams as opposed to earlier on in the year. Ended up being in a very fortunate position, turning down a job offer in order to do a PhD in my subject at Cambridge University instead.
The majority of people from my course (about 15 out of a class of 22) still don't have a job or an option yet though, which is somewhat worrying given they have 2:1 or higher degrees in a demanded subject!
The majority of people from my course (about 15 out of a class of 22) still don't have a job or an option yet though, which is somewhat worrying given they have 2:1 or higher degrees in a demanded subject!
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worrying. when i went for a look round sheffield for mech eng all they boasted about was how everyone who wants a job gets one !
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Hmm, perhaps we're bucking the trend, but work is still taking on an OK number this year.
I can't publicly say how many this year, but it was 20 IIRC last year.
I can't publicly say how many this year, but it was 20 IIRC last year.
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yeah and to be honest, almost everywhere in the world is the same at the moment. People in their 20s were just born in a crappy time I'm afraid
Definitely. I think we're a generation that can only get mass experience in retail and nothing else.
Don't bother with Dutch unless you specifically want to work in Flanders.im going to learn german or dutch at my local college, with my degree and 5 yrs experience I'll get a job soon?
Everybody in the Netherlands speaks English, so you won't be anything specialy unfortunately.
If you're considering working in Belgium, learn French.
What about jobs based in the UK but require travel to customers/suppliers/factories abroad?
Knowing langauge out there gives you a massive advantage over monolingual applicants (given other factors are equal, ofc).
Yes, I also speak Norwegian, French, Dutch, German and Polish. Not sure what this has to do with ethnic minorities though
Because you can't find a job in the UK, hence this thread
If you're out as an expat, you could well be on a UK contract rather than a local one.
Nonsense.
There are plenty of Brits working abroad. The problem is that a lot of people can't as they don't speak anything other than English.
The failure here is at school level. Blair even took away the requirement of learning a foreign language at GCSE for a few years, which was an excellent move.
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Hmm, my sister graduated with a business degree 2.1 and shes had about 10 interviews and got made redundant while she was at uni doing a placement and has been offered 3 jobs, granted only earning £15k but its a job and in business.
I find that hard to believe "ANY WORK"
I find that hard to believe "ANY WORK"
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i gots me a degree and no job. it sucks majorly!
Im still studying for my MA and during my time i have done loads of freelance/short term work as a sound assistant/boom operator.
I know when i finish and start looking for full time work its easy enough for me to contact all the sound recordists i have worked with to secure work.
Good sound assistant/boom operators are always needed, so i feel optimistic after uni to get full time employment.
The main problem i have noticed with fellow students is that they do no get involved with the sector they intend to work in.
Peace
I know when i finish and start looking for full time work its easy enough for me to contact all the sound recordists i have worked with to secure work.
Good sound assistant/boom operators are always needed, so i feel optimistic after uni to get full time employment.
The main problem i have noticed with fellow students is that they do no get involved with the sector they intend to work in.
Peace
But if you don't actually require graduates in the first place then the fact that you don't bother even looking at qualifications doesn't invalidate a degree it just means you don't actually recruit at that level. Someone with a decent degree might make better use of their skills elsewhere. The fact that you don't require a degree might also indicate the quality of applicants you are getting who happen to poses a degree. Assuming you perhaps offer reasonable career prospects and look at applicants both with and without degrees you might well find that you're attracting the top tier of people without degrees and the bottom tier of graduates who couldn't get onto XYZ grad scheme - it therefore wouldn't be too surprising to find that a lot of the non grads you're getting are highly motivated/ambitious and the grads are a bit patchy.
Also do you have a link to the ES article as I think I'll call BS on that one
I did a placement and got offered a graduate job by that company last September. However, in January they then cancelled my contract (after everything had been signed) so I started job hunting again. Got to a fair few final rounds/interviews but got no job offers as I was looking at financial stuff, when my degree was in engineering. Then after I officially got my 2.1 in July (which was a conditional term of my graduate role contract) I asked for compensation from my placement company and they magically found me a job again
. I've just signed and sent off the contracts (again) so will hopefully be starting in the next month or so.Sorry for the essay but thought I'd highlight that you can get mucked around even if you do have a fully signed employment contract.
I remember watching a telly program about getting people into work, they sourced jobs (Fruit/Veg picking) which was hard labour but paid work. It was above minimum wage as well. The majority of the staff on it were foreign but they were specifically trying to get brits into the jobs. They went down to the local job centre and stood outside shouting that they would give people jobs, 95% of the people turned it down once they found out it was fruit picking. Reason's given were "I'm not doing that, it's beneath me" or "That sounds too hard".
There are jobs out there, they may not be particularly highly paid or in your qualifications area but jobs do exist. They may be hard, manual labour but they pay money and if I have 2 graduates coming in for an interview and one's sat doing nothing trying to get a job at the right cash and right area and one's been picking fruit and at least working the one who's been willing to do a tough job would almost certainly get the job.
There are jobs out there, they may not be particularly highly paid or in your qualifications area but jobs do exist. They may be hard, manual labour but they pay money and if I have 2 graduates coming in for an interview and one's sat doing nothing trying to get a job at the right cash and right area and one's been picking fruit and at least working the one who's been willing to do a tough job would almost certainly get the job.
Problem is a lot of the big companies who take Chem Eng grads tend to finish their recruitment soon after Christmas/New Year so you have to be quick. Also the recession killed demand for bulk chemical/petrochemicals/etc and those sort of industries tend to recruit Chemical Engineers, which didn't help.