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The Police - thoughts?
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(Drug users)
What type of drugs if you don't mind me asking?
Are we talking junkies causing public alarm or what?
Welcome to the forums too
It's exciting, and you should see the pension. You get a really cool sniper rifle too...
On the contrary, this could form the basis of the thesis rather than act detrimentally
A study of those that run the forum and those that aspire to help run it would be awesome...
I have my list of targets already
You might want to start with putting H's into Psycho[metric] and psycho[logical] and so on.
It would never work, you would need a control group to assess the veracity of any claim about how people interact on Forums as opposed to their real life interaction.
You would need to do face to face psychological questioning simply to negate the 'online' persona.
Do you need qualifications to be an officer ?
If you can keep calm in the face of adversity, speak to people in a civil way and have common sense then you are mostly there. What academic qualification gets you that ?
It might benefit the HPDS applicants, but rank and file officers ? No.
That said, many younger recruits have a degree these days.
See I don't really agree with that. I'm one of the types that thinks that active police officers should be made to study the law for a period of time (2-3 years maybe) at a university level. IMO, and it is just imo evidently; if you're enforcing the law, then you should have a very strong working knowledge of the law.
It's exciting, and you should see the pension. You get a really cool sniper rifle too...
*makes note not to go near any bell towers*
I dont agree, the Police simply need to know what is an offence and what is not.
A knowledge of the law surrounding any given offence is the perview of Prosecutors and Lawyers.
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Why ?
I have a strong working knowledge of the law because I make a point of keeping my head in the books and I don't need a university level course to do so.
I keep a good knowledge because it is what I am paid to do and also because it comes in very handy when under cross examination in court.
My knowledge of firearms law, until recently, was not so good and as such I was taken apart by a London based barrister at Crown Court. Even the superintendent, who was at the hearing, said he hadn't seen a cross examination like it in 20 years service. The barrister was damned good at what he was paid to do.
My response was to take it on the chin, learn from it and I then joined the police gun club and read up on firearms and associated law.
Police probation is two years and you can be binned at any time during that if the Chief officer feels you won't cut it. It is two years because, contary to what some may say, policing is a very specialised profession.
Nope, its no different to mine which has the GB next to it, a £60 fine is unacceptable down here, that's like taking a days wage from him as the average wage is so low.
A notice on his windscreen would have been sufficient, he wasn't aware of such law!
Because police officers are enforcing a law. A set of rules. If you're not familiar with those rules then you wind up with individual officers walking around enforcing a none standardized notion of what to them is right or wrong.
Ah, but that's you, and you can only really vouch for yourself and the few police officers that you're regularly working with. Unfortunately I don't believe that every police officer has a strong grasp of the law. IMO, at least some formal legal studies would raise the bar.
I'm not one of those have a go solicitors who walk around telling police officers that "I KNOW MY RIGHT I KNOW MY RIGHTS" etc, but sometimes it works the other way around doesn't it. Unfortunately not everyone's goign to be as dedicated to their duty as you are Von.
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I've witnessed some really idiotic behaviour by the police round here. They're pretty incompetent and lazy IME. Let's just say my first call for help wouldn't be to the police any more. Obviously I'm not saying all officers are like that... just the ones I've experienced.
They're friendlier/calmer than American cops though, so that's good.
They're friendlier/calmer than American cops though, so that's good.
how so?
The idiotic things I've seen officers do haven't even involved me, I was just watching.
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Nice to see a bit of support for the police, I fully acknowledge the ego trips and attitudes you get in this job, but there will always be some that slip through the net. Fortunately at my office they are few and far between and on the whole we have a cracking shift. It is a tough and demanding job at times and my force is going through some pretty dramatic changes with the budget cuts, shift changes and general restructuring resulting in some pretty low morale. Add to that that general stress of the job, the worry that you've forgotten to do something fairly minor, constant procedural changes and new SOPS in which if you forget to do something relatively minor could earn you doing from your gaffers not to mention the fiscal/ prosecutors, I can see why a lot of officers go off with stress.
I have to say I think the £60 fine for the plate is a bit harsh, things like that strike me as policing to meet targets which is not how this job should be done. Now if i spotted an illegal plate on a car which belonged to a known criminal / scummer then i wouldn't hesitate to ticket them, but for a decent member of the public...nah. VDRS or a friendly word in there ear at most. Don't get me wrong, if i catch someone on their mobile whilst driving (pet hate of mine) they are getting done regardless, I'll quite happily give someone 3 points and a fine or take their licence off them having seen firsthand the carnage it can cause.
I have to say I think the £60 fine for the plate is a bit harsh, things like that strike me as policing to meet targets which is not how this job should be done. Now if i spotted an illegal plate on a car which belonged to a known criminal / scummer then i wouldn't hesitate to ticket them, but for a decent member of the public...nah. VDRS or a friendly word in there ear at most. Don't get me wrong, if i catch someone on their mobile whilst driving (pet hate of mine) they are getting done regardless, I'll quite happily give someone 3 points and a fine or take their licence off them having seen firsthand the carnage it can cause.
What would your first call for help be then? Your gangster mates for a bit of brap brap?
Innit.
I don't think the cops are all bad... just that, they have never been particularly helpful to me. If I have to call the police, I am doing it on the off-chance it will help, not because I expect it to.
I certainly don't think that is the fault of the officers I dealt with, but I do think there is a problem with the police as a whole.
I certainly don't think that is the fault of the officers I dealt with, but I do think there is a problem with the police as a whole.
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I do see your point there. From my experience, most ( if not all ) officers I work with have a good working knowledge of bread and butter law such as theft, assault, criminal damage and burglary. Let's be honest here benneh, it isn't rocket science to learn such legislation and any officer that doesn't have a good knowledge of them ? You have to question why.
I think the problem lies in such things as Sec 44 in which there is a clear issue with cops not being familiar with the legislation. I have to admit that I have not had any formal input about it since I joined ten years ago but when the Glasgow bombings had the knock on effect of 44 being designated in most policing areas I made a point of brushing up on it and also Sec 43.
That's a shame benneh. They are the type of brief that I enjoy a structured and constructive argument with.
That may be stretching things a little benneh although that isn't a dig. I do have my fair share of days when I feel like walking. To be honest, I almost walked 2 or 3 years ago to train as an Accredited Police Station Representative.
I am not a Dredd type robot ( although I know that isn't what you implied - I hope, anyway ). I merely make a point of knowing and understanding the law as I'm sure that you do.
I like the police back home, in the few experiences I've had with them they've been great. The only time I've been stopped is when I was walking home from a late shift at 3am and a couple of plain clothes stopped me and asked what I was doing, who I was etc. because there had been a number of car stereo thefts in the area recently, it only took 5 mins.
The Czech state police over here seem friendly enough and are helpful too.
The Czech state police over here seem friendly enough and are helpful too.