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Just rush - anyone going for the void ray route will have very few units early in the game. At least this is what I have found.

For new players, there should be no fear of MP. The lower leagues are very, very basic. My best advice however, would be to skip most of the practice matches. They lul you into a false sense of security :)
 
kar said:
You wont, because you wont be playing diamond players. You'll be playing people like you. So as you start to learn what goes good against what, you'll win more games, and start playing other people who know what goes good against what.

And so on, it gets to the point where you know a lot about the game, playing other people who know a lot about the game. Don't be intimidated is all I can say. Because just think of it like this, just how small are the odds that there *isn't* someone out there in the exact same position as you. The matchmaking is pretty good at ensuring you two find each other.

The leagues themselves might be messed up a bit, but the matchmaking is very good.
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Doh! :) Should have known that, thanks mate
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Just rush - anyone going for the void ray route will have very few units early in the game. At least this is what I have found.

For new players, there should be no fear of MP. The lower leagues are very, very basic. My best advice however, would be to skip most of the practice matches. They lul you into a false sense of security :)
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What units to rush though mate? I find I normally have millions of res but just end up being to slow building anything. I normally just rush loads of the gunner units to defend my base.

Haha I won 1 of the practice games and got raped all the other ones :(

Any order of structures?

I'll keep pumping out SVU things (Or SVC?LOL) and building those things where you can have more men, get a barracks and hit the thing were you can turn out two units and mass build them.
 
cHk4 said:
Ok guys I got so frustrated that I sucked so bad in this game I stopped playing.

Started playing again last night only against AI and had a bit of fun.

Are there any sites that are good to give beginners tips on what to build etc etc for a basic strat so I can develop. Just so annoying getting face rolled all the time.
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Teamliquid.net is a great hub if you're happy to read.

day9tv.blip.tv is probably one of the best, and youtube for huskystarcraft, or hdstarcraft as their channel has a lot of content aimed at multiplayer beginners.

Really, the best thing a beginner can do is find a basic 'normal' opening build. Like for Protoss, 9 pylon, 12 gateway, 14 gas, 16 core, 17 pylon.. (the numbers are your supply count in the top right corner). I don't know the zerg or terran ones that well but it wouldn't be hard to find them. With a basic build you can at least get a few units together enough to go out and just attack.

Don't try and be cute, don't try and build a million tech structures. If you're terran just build 2 barracks, put a tech lab on one, a reactor on the other build 4 maurauders and however many marines you can, and just go attack. With terran, as 16-18 supply build your orbital command so you have access to mules (and the massive econ boost they give you). Hot key your command centre to 5 or 6, so you can just reflexively go 5-ss to keep producing scvs. You will want to keep doing this until you get around 30-34 scvs (then you will want to think about expanding).

Once you get a basic build together, can make a small army and go out and attack, from there experience, watching and reading on tl.net/here/youtube will help a lot :) At your level simply attacking with a 2 rax build will get you wins. Since if your opponent does anything else he'll not have the forces to fight you.

For example this is my 'normal' (probably not that efficient) terran opener: 10 supply depot, 11 barracks, 13 gas refinery, 14, second barracks, 18 orbital command, 19 supply depot.

I train a marine and then put a tech lab and research concussive shell on my first barracks, I put a reactor on my second barracks. I build 3-4 marauders, and about 8-10 marines and I just go out and attack. When concussive shell is done, i usually research combat shield to give my marines a little more backbone.
 
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kar said:
Teamliquid.net is a great hub if you're happy to read.

day9tv.blip.tv is probably one of the best, and youtube for huskystarcraft, or hdstarcraft as their channel has a lot of content aimed at multiplayer beginners.

Really, the best thing a beginner can do is find a basic 'normal' opening build. Like for Protoss, 9 pylon, 12 gateway, 14 gas, 16 core, 17 pylon.. (the numbers are your supply count in the top right corner). I don't know the zerg or terran ones that well but it wouldn't be hard to find them. With a basic build you can at least get a few units together enough to go out and just attack.

Don't try and be cute, don't try and build a million tech structures. If you're terran just build 2 barracks, put a tech lab on one, a reactor on the other build 4 maurauders and however many marines you can, and just go attack. With terran, as 16-18 supply build your orbital command so you have access to mules (and the massive econ boost they give you). Hot key your command centre to 5 or 6, so you can just reflexively go 5-ss to keep producing scvs. You will want to keep doing this until you get around 30-34 scvs (then you will want to think about expanding).

Once you get a basic build together, can make a small army and go out and attack, from there experience, watching and reading on tl.net/here/youtube will help a lot :) At your level simply attacking with a 2 rax build will get you wins. Since if your opponent does anything else he'll not have the forces to fight you.
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Nice one mate, thanks for that. Will give them a look and thanks for the tips :) I'll have to look in to hot keying stuff also lol :)
 
RobotXander said:
Great advice there. Hot keys are "key" I'm guessing?
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Mmmm, not really, no. To be honest just building a reasonable (not huge) army and going out and attacking is the key. Too many new players get clogged up building too many tech buildings.

Hot keys matter once you start winning games as it will significantly free up mental and physcial capacity to do other things (like attack, and defend).

For example if you hotkey your command centre, you can be attacking with your army in groups 1-3, hit 5, hit s twice to queue up two scvs, and then hit 1 to resume controllign your army. You never even have to look at your command centre.

I would start with this first. Control grouping your barracks is the next step, put your barracks in control group 4, and hit 4, mm (marine), and then d(marauder), to queue up 2 marines and a marauder, then right click on your army to have them rally to your forces in the field.

Basic, basic hotkeying and rallying that will give you the most bang for your buck.

I think we should have a overclockers sc2 wiki so we can put a lot of this stuff down :)
 
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cHk4 said:
Ok guys I got so frustrated that I sucked so bad in this game I stopped playing.

Started playing again last night only against AI and had a bit of fun.

Are there any sites that are good to give beginners tips on what to build etc etc for a basic strat so I can develop. Just so annoying getting face rolled all the time.
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Teamliquid.net

Read everything there. And review the Day[9] Daily thread.

IIRC HDStarcraft (but it could have been HuskyStrarcraft) (on youtube) has a "Basic Terran Opener" build as one of his vods. Will help you Marine Marauder

Throughout the Beta I have literally watched hundreds of hours of game footage, I watched all of the Team Liquid Invitational. all of the HDH invitational all of the Day[9] King of the Beta Invitational all of PsyStarcraft's (zerg player on youtube) 1v1 games, a **** tonne of the Day[9] Dailies and loads of HD and Huskys VODS.

All that research has helped me understand SC2 a lot better. But no matter how good a spectator you are, you still need to play the game to get better. And thats what I did. I played and played and played. I'm not great at game still gold in 1v1 and 2v2 but I think I have done well having very little SC1 experience (a couple of months total) and really started playing SC in the beta.
 
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Cheers manlove! I'll have to let you give me some man love as a thank you ;)

Very helpful guys, will read up while at work and play all night tonight :D
 
RobotXander said:
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Yeah very true, I quite like Blistering because of the backdoor, gives extra things to think about, also like the fact the 3rd expo can't be defended as easily!

Yeah, don't think you threw the game away as such, more so i did a good job of making you think i had more! lol ^^ was quite intense!

I think i over-compensated a little with my lings, but when i saw you chronoing down more Zealots, i just went a little mental! but then, thats just the result of a good early aggression on your part. perfect infact. made me waste lavae

I'll figure out the counter at some point, it will just click :)

Idra is amazing, the drone:units ratio is fantastic, and the gameplay, out of this world! i might start watching some replays actually, i've not actually seen any decent ones, even through the BETA, just been improving on my own game. got to that wall now though.

really looking forward to some more games later, tis uber practise!
might try out some new builds i've been thinking about.

EDIT: miss quoted. meh, was meant to be for Kar ^^
 
Indie said:
Idra is amazing, the drone:units ratio is fantastic, and the gameplay, out of this world! i might start watching some replays actually, i've not actually seen any decent ones, even through the BETA, just been improving on my own game. got to that wall now though.

really looking forward to some more games later, tis uber practise!
might try out some new builds i've been thinking about.

EDIT: miss quoted. meh, was meant to be for Kar ^^
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I've seen a lot of VODs of Idra playing (unfortunantly they tend to focus on the games he rages rather than anything else.) But I'd like to get hold of some SC2 replay files of the following players:
Idra
Sen
Machine
MadFrog

Just so I can sit and watch what they do.
 
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