Why is Racism Unacceptable but Homophobia is Acceptable?

[krooton]

So they can procreate and leave something behind of themselves before they eventually perish?

Maybe they don't want to. Not everyone wants to settle down and have kids, and even then, gay couples adopting gets many people riled up.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

[B&W]

Maybe they don't want to. Not everyone wants to settle down and have kids, and even then, gay couples adopting gets many people riled up.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

If they adopt thats wrong, a child should have a mother or a father not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.

 

[krooton]

If they adopt thats wrong, a child should have a mother or a father not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.

So it's better for them to have nothing, rather than 2 loving parents that happen to be of the same sex?

How about single parents?

 

[Castiel]

If they adopt thats wrong, a child should have a mother or a father not a dad and a dad or a mom and a mom.

Rubbish. As long as the couple bringing up the child do not indoctrinate the child either way then where's the problem.

 

[mrk]

Yes, no child should have a Mom.

 

[Tefal]

Yes, no child should have a Mom.

I dunno whenever i see B&W i think of

 

[B&W]

So it's better for them to have nothing, rather than 2 loving parents that happen to be of the same sex?

How about single parents?

I never said its better for them to have nothing, that is just you inferring things.

Two same sex adults raising a kid is just wierd.

The child would most likely be ridiculed by the other children at school, come on surely I don't need to explain this.

It's not a single parents fault that they are single, circumstances force them to be.

 

[B&W]

Rubbish. As long as the couple bringing up the child do not indoctrinate the child either way then where's the problem.

See my reply above.

 

[B&W]

I dunno whenever i see B&W i think of

Interesting, whenever I see your name this springs to my mind instantly:

 

[Castiel]

See my reply above.

What about mixed race parents. Those children are subject to ridicule on occasion, or disabled parents, or any number of other insignificant things that kids get ridiculed and bullied over.

If that is the limit of your argument them it's very weak.

 

[B&W]

What about mixed race parents. Those children are subject to ridicule on occasion, or disabled parents, or any number of other insignificant things that kids get ridiculed and bullied over.

If that is the limit of your argument them it's very weak.

No it's more then just ridicule. For a child to develop strongly he needs input from mother and father, now if there is no father but rather two mothers then who will give that fatherly/masculine input?

Even if the woman is butch she is not a man and does not know how life is for a man and thus cannot give the son (or vice versa..) the input and advice about life a father can give.

I can continue all day with more examples but there's a big one for you.

 

[Tefal]

Interesting, whenever I see your name this springs to my mind instantly:

I wish, I just can't get the hang of high heels

 

[semi-pro waster]

I never said its better for them to have nothing, that is just you inferring things.

Two same sex adults raising a kid is just wierd.

It may not be the norm but you'd have to do a lot better than saying it's "weird" to convince me that it is inherently bad for the child. If it's a stable loving relationship between two people of the same sex then why is that implicitly a worse environment for a child to grow up in than that of a male and female couple who can no longer stand the sight of each other and want a divorce?

The child would most likely be ridiculed by the other children at school, come on surely I don't need to explain this.

And that's deeply unfortunate but it's attitudes that say it's inherently wrong which help to foster such prejudice in the children. It may be a bit chicken and egg but children get bullied for lots of things including what their parents do, who they love, what their past history is etc.

It's not a single parents fault that they are single, circumstances force them to be.

That's said with a fair degree of certainty, why is it not the single parents fault they are single? For all we know it could be in some cases.

No it's more then just ridicule. For a child to develop strongly he needs input from mother and father, now if there is no father but rather two mothers then who will give that fatherly/masculine input?

Even if the woman is butch she is not a man and does not know how life is for a man and thus cannot give the son (or vice versa..) the input and advice about life a father can give.

I can continue all day with more examples but there's a big one for you.

It's not a big example at all, the masculine or feminine role could be filled by aunts/uncles/friends as appropriate.

 

[Tefal]

No it's more then just ridicule. For a child to develop strongly he needs input from mother and father, now if there is no father but rather two mothers then who will give that fatherly/masculine input?

Even if the woman is butch she is not a man and does not know how life is for a man and thus cannot give the son (or vice versa..) the input and advice about life a father can give.

I can continue all day with more examples but there's a big one for you.

So single parents?

 

[B&W]

It may not be the norm but you'd have to do a lot better than saying it's "weird" to convince me that it is inherently bad for the child. If it's a stable loving relationship between two people of the same sex then why is that implicitly a worse environment for a child to grow up in than that of a male and female couple who can no longer stand the sight of each other and want a divorce?

And that's deeply unfortunate but it's attitudes that say it's inherently wrong which help to foster such prejudice in the children. It may be a bit chicken and egg but children get bullied for lots of things including what their parents do, who they love, what their past history is etc.

Hello, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Why are you comparing a good homo couples relationship to a bad hetero couples relationship?

Lets compare like for like, say there both on good terms wouldn't the hetero couple be better for the development of the child then the homo couple.

I say this because throughout civilisation this has been the norm and is always accepted as the norm, whether right or wrong that is another question alltogether.

Why add another factor in the equation which might affect the childs development adversely?

That's said with a fair degree of certainty, why is it not the single parents fault they are single? For all we know it could be in some cases.

Divorce is a awful thing and is 99.9% the fault of BOTH parents for not working things out together. Nobody marries with the intention of splitting up, thats why im saying its not there fault.

It's not a big example at all, the masculine or feminine role could be filled by aunts/uncles/friends as appropriate.

Never can it be fulfilled the same way as a father can fill it.

So single parents?

The father is still there just not always there, but he talks to the children regularly (not always some fathers are idiots).

 

[Tefal]

the father isn't always involved at all.

 

[B&W]

No but often a father takes them once a week or rings em up every couple of days which is better then no father at all.

 

[Tefal]

No but often a father takes them once a week or rings em up every couple of days which is better then no father at all.

so children with a dead parent are inferior to a child with 2 parents?

 

[B&W]

so children with a dead parent are inferior to a child with 2 parents?

Erm no and where have I stated that. The level of intelligence in this forum sometimes astounds me, especially when so called intelligent people start extrapolating from my previous arguments and think I think a certain thing...

 

[semi-pro waster]

Hello, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Why are you comparing a good homo couples relationship to a bad hetero couples relationship?

Lets compare like for like, say there both on good terms wouldn't the hetero couple be better for the development of the child then the homo couple.

I say this because throughout civilisation this has been the norm and is always accepted as the norm, whether right or wrong that is another question alltogether.

Why add another factor in the equation which might affect the childs development adversely?

I'm adding in the comparison of a bad heterosexual relationship compared to a good homosexual relationship to see if there's any occasions where you might consider that homosexual adoption is not a bad thing? If you can consider that at some points it isn't just clearcut homosexual adoption is always bad then it being "weird" isn't a good reason to refuse it, particularly if there is a shortage of suitable heterosexual couples - at this point we either drop the standards to allow previously unsuitable heterosexual couples (this could be a very bad thing for adoptees depending on why the potential adopters were judged unsuitable) or we consider allowing less "conventional" arrangements.

I don't know whether all things being equal the heterosexual couple would be better than the homosexual couple. It might seem more "normal" but humans are funny things and almost endlessly adaptable to different circumstances in terms of home life - how do you objectively quantify it? Or indeed prove that one is intrinsically better than the other since all things are not always equal.

Divorce is a awful thing and is 99.9% the fault of BOTH parents for not working things out together. Nobody marries with the intention of splitting up, thats why im saying its not there fault.

Do you think people choose to be gay? Why should their choice of a legal consenting partner who happens to be of the same sex mean that they are less capable of raising a child?

Never can it be fulfilled the same way as a father can fill it.

Maybe, maybe not. There's a variety of families out there who for a variety of reasons don't have a father or a mother and many of them seem to manage to raise children.