Mafia 2 and DRM

coldfused

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I've just played the Mafia 2 demo, and :eek:.... WOW! Really nice visuals

but....

I've heard Mafia 2 may come loaded with SecuROM, I'm not sure if anyone can dismiss or confirm it. I wanted to know whether or not the SecuROM will be present on the Steam Version or not. I've tried looking on steam forums and 2K but couldn't find an answer.
 
I did a quick joogle.

What kind of SecuRom will they be using? I mean do you uninstall software a lot?
 
I don't know what SecuROM version they'll be using. But I don't want SecuROM installing some kind of crap on my system and I don't want there to be an activation limit. I buy my games and I don't pirate them so I don't want to be treated as such. Thats why if Mafia 2 uses only Steam DRM then I'll be happy to preorder the game.
 
I'm hoping that publishers are starting to realise no DRM actually works. If anything it persuades people to download a DRM-free version (aka pirate) just to avoid the hassle of securom etc.

Steam provides a reasonable enough DRM without install limits and such. I think it's enough to dissuade the people that can be dissuaded from pirating it.
 
coldfused said:
I don't know what SecuROM version they'll be using. But I don't want SecuROM installing some kind of crap on my system and I don't want there to be an activation limit. I buy my games and I don't pirate them so I don't want to be treated as such. Thats why if Mafia 2 uses only Steam DRM then I'll be happy to preorder the game.
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That depends entirely on the developers if they're asshats or not. I think bioshock installed a rootkit at first but people moaned and they removed it, max 3 installs with mass effect then that was omitted. It is a system to try and curbe the fair usage policy but it's a load of bull.
 
Don't think theres anything wrong with SecuROM, its not that kind of drm like starforce or the ubisoft system. Worse case scenario you require to online activate and limited installs, even then you normally get a de auth so don't lose any installs.
 
I've only ever had problems with Securom, I don't want it and all it does is cause hassle for the legitimate consumers. Borderlands didn't have it so I hope this wont.
 
I don't think it will have DRM except Steam. Bioshock had DRM because it was not Steamworks game and there were retail copies that had no steam. But with Mafia, every copy retail or not uses steam, so they would be daft to include DRM on top.

As for myself - I have 380 games installed, with DRMs ranging from starforce through safedisc to securom, and never had a problem.
 
LokiS said:
Don't think theres anything wrong with SecuROM, its not that kind of drm like starforce or the ubisoft system. Worse case scenario you require to online activate and limited installs, even then you normally get a de auth so don't lose any installs.
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It can still become a nightmare to de-authorise your game, especially if the tool doesn't see that you have the game installed to initiate the de-authorise procedure.
 
Deific said:
Borderlands didn't have it so I hope this wont.
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That's what I thought too. Then I bought the DLC as that was on Steam sale. Ran it for the first time, it connected to SecuROMs servers, and used up one of my activation limits.

What the hell? Limited installls on the DLC but not the actual game?!? I wouldn't have bought them has I known they had this. I don't buy games with horribly restrictive DRM such as limited installs/constant on-line requirements such as Ubi's. I could just as easily pirate a game with these and play it however I like. DRM that doesn't get in my way, I have no issue with. An onlike key check the first time I run the game is about as far as I'll go, as I am online most of the time, and that's as much as Steam requires. As long as I don't need to be online in the future to play the game, then fine.

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Paul_cz said:
As for myself - I have 380 games installed, snip
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How much space must you have 380 games x say 5gb minimum now would need like 2TB space. Probably a little excessive to have them all installed surely you can't play them all!

On topic I don't like the DRM treating the consumer like they are a pirate it's not exactly fair. I also don't like it when they install crap without telling you (such as Starforce / Securom / etc.)

I know it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection but if I've gone out and bought a game I don't want to have the constant hassle of online activation, restricted installs (why???), etc.

I should be able to install it anywhere and anytime with or without a internet connection.


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m4cc45 said:
How much space must you have 380 games x say 5gb minimum now would need like 2TB space. Probably a little excessive to have them all installed surely you can't play them all!
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I have about 80 from gog and plenty small ones, so all my games take around 950GBs all in all. I have 3TB total disc space and I like having all my games installed.

But I will be switching to Windows 7 in a few days, so I will probably not reinstall all my games again : ). That would take days.

DRM - digital "rights" management
 
Kerplunk said:
What exactly is DRM in lehmanns terms?

Is it like copy protection?
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Its essentially the same thing, just newer and scarier sounding.

The main forms of DRM around at the moment are a few versions of SecuROM, some of which have limited installs, and once you use them up, you have to phone the publisher and ask for more installs.
Ubisoft have their own DRM which requires you to be connected to their servers in order to play their games, and if the connection goes down, it used to be that the game would pause, and wouldn't continue until the connection reestablished, though I dont' know if this has changed or not.
Tages is occasionally used, though I'm not too sure on its details.

Steam is also a form of DRM, as you have to buy the game thorugh Steam and run Steam to play the games, however this is generally agreed on as an acceptable form of DRM because it works so well, while the others mentioned above have several flaws that make things harder for people who legally buy the game, having restrictions such as install limits or requiring an internet connection to play, while people who pirate the games have no such restrictions, though with some systems, especially Ubi's current one, there are significant time delays between a game being released, and a working pirated version making its way onto the internet.
 
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