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I lost all but my last of the 1v1 placements. Managed an early attack with Marines and Hellions while the Marines distracted the enemy troops I got my Hellions in behind and took out the drones. Then they quit the game.

I got placed as Bronze and lost my first game to an attack by an awful lot of Zealots. I scouted the base but I'm not up to speed on what to look out for so I wasted time with a Factory when I should've tech'd up to Maruaders and built some of those.
 
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bsoltan said:
I got placed as Bronze and lost my first game to an attack by an aweful lot of Zealots. I scouted the base but I'm not up to speed on what to look out for so I wasted time with a Factory when I should've tech'd up to Maruaders and built some of those.
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I get this too. I can get a scout into their base but then I sit with a confused look on my face wondering what I'm looking at. :)
 
Worthy said:
I get this too. I can get a scout into their base but then I sit with a confused look on my face wondering what I'm looking at. :)
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Then look at it another way, what doesn't your opponent have? and what should they have by this time in the game

Ok a good example is from one of my above posts

Had some noob try proxy rax my base earlier I had a drone in his base and it was a bit of a give away that all he had was 3 supply depots and nothing else. So I put down a spine crawler and a bling nest in my base pumped out a few lings spotted his 3 rax sat back for a min waiting for my lings to amass and my spine to build made a few banelings took out his building bunker with some lings and his marines with my blings. He lifted 2 of his 3 rax and floated home, I killed the 3rd.
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The first question I ask whenever I scout the enemy is "Is he trying to proxy me?" The second is "What buildings does he have?", followed by "How many of each building does he have?" In later game scouting, I look at unit composition, buildings present and buildings missing.
Scouting is something that can only improve with experience. I've been playing this game since April (I think) and I am only just getting the hang of scouting now. I used to play in the dark a lot, but I think my win/loss ratio has certainly improved as my scouting has improved and my ability to read the game has improved as my scouting has improved.

Oh and whilst you are scouting click on any buildings that you do not instantly recognise and any buildings that are currently building.
 
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That's what I'm lacking at the minute, I can't identify what's what and which buildings generate which units. I'll get it with a bit more reading and playing.
 
I did have one great game last night on desert oasis, pvp.

I was going to go for a very aggressive econ build, basically building gateways at 14 and 15 supply (which really gets your mineral intake streaking).

But at 9 supply, (and remember I'd been cheesed and otherwise abused all night), I thought, ahh stuff it, I'll play safe and do a scout around my base and just outside my ramp.

15 seconds later spotted the proxy pylon and gateways warping in, immediately popped down a forge, chrono'd a zealot by the time his first 2 zeals came poking in, I had a cannon 1/2 way warped in with range of my mineral line and all my buildings and I had a zealot to hold him up until the cannon was finished.

It was academic then I focused on econ and getting gateways up, and rolled him.

Text book proxy counter. I'll put the replay up later, because in an evening of severe mediocrity I thought that was my one 'perfect' game.
 
Yeah cannons are great against proxy gateways. I try to do that every time I see a proxy gateway, as I can't keep up with their zealot production usually.
 
I played last night 3 games I think, I lost all 3 games...

Tried doing what I picked up from watching videos... I'm just pretty gash I think :(
 
Worthy said:
That's what I'm lacking at the minute, I can't identify what's what and which buildings generate which units. I'll get it with a bit more reading and playing.
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Even if you get a lot of the races basic build orders known and what does what, it can still be hard to judge, because a lot of build orders can just start with the same thing and if you lose your scout earlier you are none-the-wiser. Here's some Terran examples though below (note these are "probablies", as it's not 100% clear that they are going for what I've noted):

Refinery, Barracks w/ TL -> Reapers / Marauders
Double Refinery, Barracks w/ TL -> Ghosts
Double Refinery, Barracks, Factory -> Banshee
Double/Triple Barracks with either no addons or no TL's -> Marine ball
Very early Engineering Bay -> Planetary Fortress (or turtle for turrets)
Early Armory -> Thor
Not much of anything -> Proxy play

Those are just examples. For instance, a double refinery, barracks and factory might not be Banshees, it could be Vikings. If you see a Tech Lab on it though it most probably is Banshees and not Vikings as Banshees need a TL and TL gives cloak. Terran is hard to judge really, especially if you see a Refinery as they need gas for pretty much anything. Two refineries though can give a very good insight into what they might be planning. But you should note, that sub-Gold, it's going to be even harder to judge as lots of players will just "wing it", like they might get two refineries and not actually need them (etc).

cHk4 said:
I played last night 3 games I think, I lost all 3 games...

Tried doing what I picked up from watching videos... I'm just pretty gash I think
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Comes after time to be honest mate, as long you can say you are learning from the defeats then it's totally fine. Losing and just not taking in why you lost however is kinda bad :)
 
If you didn't play broodwar at a highish level then it's to be expected that you're bad at this game. Don't be too hard on yourself, it's an incredibly difficult game so don't expect to be good at it straight away. You do pick it up quite quickly though but it involves a lot of losing doing so. The first thing you need to learn is that losing is a good thing.
 
Play practise league until you know what each building does and what the units look like. Play 2-3 games of each race and just build everything, don't even try to win. Build all the buildings and build a load of units. You'll have time to because of the rocks locking you in. Once you're familiar with all the units and buildings, skip the practise league because it's completely different to the normal game.
 
cHk4 said:
Ok thanks for that guys :) Should I carry on in the practise league even though I'm getting raped?
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I'd skip it to be honest, the game runs at a slower pace to what the ladder does, the maps are "carebear" and it's just not really the same game you're going to be playing in the ladder. But you will probably still get raped in the placements but it's just part of the learning :) If you fancy some practice games or just what a non-ladder game at any point just give me a shout if you see me in game (user: Zamac.329, Bronze league).
 
Thanks H2F

flibby said:
I'd skip it to be honest, the game runs at a slower pace to what the ladder does, the maps are "carebear" and it's just not really the same game you're going to be playing in the ladder. But you will probably still get raped in the placements but it's just part of the learning :) If you fancy some practice games or just what a non-ladder game at any point just give me a shout if you see me in game (user: Zamac.329, Bronze league).
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Cool mate thank you very much for the kind offer :) If you see Tashohnie adding you that's me :)
 
H2F Scott said:
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3991475/

Everyone should watch yesterdays episode of Day9's daily. Deals with low level players and the mentality you should have for improving. Really good episode, though Day9 is never bad. He's a seriously awesome dude. Unfortunately the VOD is broken and stops 2/3s of the way through, but blip.tv are working on getting it fixed. The first 2/3s are still worth watching though.
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If you guys haven't seen this, I would highly, highly recommend it.

I picked up a quite a few good things from it actually, in fact it really is mandatory viewing :)
 
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