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Good managers have no reason to be scared of unions, well, possibly apart from the threats of physical, emotional and fiscal violence that historically come from them...

Perhaps that's something else that needs to be looked at...
 
Dolph said:
Perhaps that's something else that needs to be looked at...
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It most certainly does, but I can't see it happening. Useless breads useless and unions fuel it. It's all far to ingrained into the system.
You mess up or can't do your job, you get promoted and sidelined into a project they don't care about.

You have a genuine accident and they try sacking you under some unworkable rule that should never be in there.
 
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Physical violence against either members or non-members in the workplace should NEVER be tolerated, no matter where that violence originates.

But we have laws to protect against this type of behaviour.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Physical violence against either members or non-members in the workplace should NEVER be tolerated, no matter where that violence originates.

But we have laws to protect against this type of behaviour.
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What about emotional or fiscal violence (for example, threats of personal court action or a whispering campaign if the manager doesn't make the 'right' choice in the union rep's eyes, even if it's the wrong choice in the eyes of everyone else)?
 
Dolph said:
What about emotional or fiscal violence (for example, threats of personal court action or a whispering campaign if the manager doesn't make the 'right' choice in the union rep's eyes, even if it's the wrong choice in the eyes of everyone else)?
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If a manager does the same it's called initiative, if a union rep does it's wrong?
 
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What a silly thing to say. One assumes, that had you had a problem, you would have left. No?
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If a member has problems with their shop steward then they report him or vote him out..simples

I have come accross a shop steward that was in with the management and tried to sail us down the river.
But he got voted out very quickly and replaced the same day.

Look at the posts here about peoeple who are having problems at work or with their contracts.
Now if they was in a Union it would take just a phone call to sort this out.

Union benifits(a few) Free Personal injury Any non work accident or disease in the UK for family members (including road traffic
accidents) which was not their fault.
Free initial advice and representation for any member with a work related criminal case.
Free advice and representation for members who have been the victim of a criminal assault at work
I could fill the page up and it's all free :)
And some Unions give a cheap deal with The Hospital Saturday Fund.
 
Dolph said:
In what company? It's not acceptable for either to do that, unless the financial penalty results from contractual clauses...
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Um all of them, you'd have to be very naive indeed to think that senior managers don't or haven't "play/played the game" to push themselves ahead at the expense of the shareholders - look at Willie Walsh for example.

We both know that a lot of the time the mere threat of legal action is enough to get employees and indeed other companies to cave in to your demands to some degree.
 
deuse said:
If a member has problems with their shop steward then they report him or vote him out..simples
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Unless of course that the majority support the behaviour you find unacceptable.

I have come accross a shop steward that was in with the management and tried to sail us down the river.
But he got voted out very quickly and replaced the same day.
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And yet people like Derek Simpson and Mark Serwotka, who have sold their members down the river for personal publicity, remain in place. that suggests that either the members aren't very smart, or the system isn't very effective.

Look at the posts here about peoeple who are having problems at work or with their contracts.
Now if they was in a Union it would take just a phone call to sort this out.

Union benifits(a few) Free Personal injury Any non work accident or disease in the UK for family members (including road traffic
accidents) which was not their fault.
Free initial advice and representation for any member with a work related criminal case.
Free advice and representation for members who have been the victim of a criminal assault at work
I could fill the page up and it's all free :)
And some Unions give a cheap deal with The Hospital Saturday Fund.
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It's not free, you pay membership fees. Advice from knowledgable members on here, on the other hand, is free.

scorza said:
Um all of them, you'd have to be very naive indeed to think that senior managers don't or haven't "play/played the game" to push themselves ahead at the expense of the shareholders - look at Willie Walsh for example.

We both know that a lot of the time the mere threat of legal action is enough to get employees and indeed other companies to cave in to your demands to some degree.
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There's a difference between legitimate legal action and using it as a bullying tactic. Yes, some companies do the latter, but it is not limited to companies, and it isn't really acceptable whoever is doing it.
 
Originally Posted by Wicksta View Post
It's people like amigafan2003 that made me leave my union (Connect/Prospect) last month. A bunch of self important buffoons with a completely scewed view of everything. Comparing the current UK government to Nazi Germany? Please.
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I was right - this IS proving to be an epic thread. Thank you all for the entertainment :-)

Prospect is a sham of a Union.
 
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Well, reading this thread is very interesting for those for and against Unions.
In any large business you will come across poor staff and poor managers. Both of which need to be addressed in some way to either allow those individuals to perform or remove them from the post.
Now in small businesses there will be no union presence so it comes down to employers and employees getting on with one another for the greater good of the business.
This is were things seem to go wrong, the business has to trade for every ones benefit, the owner / share holders, Managers, staff and the customers.
I am sure Directors have and will screw over staff with regards to pay, and I am sure some trade Union activists will way to far over situations that occur in the work place.
At AGM’s directors can be have their own remuneration voted off, and the board can have a vote of no confidence and there replaced.
It strikes occur the only business will suffer and lose money and some will pay for that. Mainly in the form of redundancies !

So I think my care for thought is required on both sides and perhaps laws in the work place on reasonable behaviour is required !
 
I just don't understand people who think what they are doing are right. If you are so stupid not to understand something so simple. They are basically saying, we failed our targets but we should get a bonus anyway. I just can't for the life of me understand it.

It's PATHETIC.
 
We all have to work hard for our money these days. So just getting a bonus hand out for not performing is the wrong message for every one.
Cut down on luxeries like £50+ on Sky packages is not essential for living !
 
The negotiations will be brokered by the conciliation service Acas and will take place at an undisclosed location.
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Lol - wonder why they're not being held at the Euston offices?

Anything to do with these bunch of muppets?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/t...unded-as-demonstrators-storm-union-talks.html

Spent many a long day (24hrs once) in the Euston office - cracking view but pretty bland - lets hope they've found somewhere a bit more comfortable (although John Woods from ACAS told me the negotiations rooms are deliberately uncomfortable to encourage people NOT to stay and come up with an agreement just to get the hell out of there!).
 
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amigafan2003 said:
Lol - wonder why they're not being held at the Euston offices?

Anything to do with these bunch of muppets?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/t...unded-as-demonstrators-storm-union-talks.html

Spent many a long day (24hrs once) in the Euston office - cracking view but pretty bland - lets hope they've found somewhere a bit more comfortable (although John Woods from ACAS told me the negotiations rooms are deliberately uncomfortable to encourage people NOT to stay and come up with an agreement just to get the hell out of there!).
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A BA cabin crew member I know told me that Willie Walsh arranged for those muppets to stage their ludicrous protest at ACAS. Know anything about that?
 
Well today is the day a lot of us find out if we'll get our holidays, I keep looking at google news but not seems any updates yet.

Has anyone seen/heard anything about it yet?
 
Thats what i'm finding.

I work in the travel industry too, we've had nothing through about it. Its bad when you have to use the news websites to find stuff out about your own industry!
 
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