New UK Paranormal Show Needs Your Help OcUKers!
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There was a famouse case where the inhabitants of a streetfull of people reported some strange goings on-including a police officer called to an event who witnessed something unusual. It was a real creepy case because it effected so many people. Go back and investigate this in a factual manner. If I can remeber of find details I'll provide them later.
Edit: forget it as I can't remember the location etc
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The chances of catching anything paranormal live or in one night is probably 0.01% unless you're a bunch of liars and actors like on Most Haunted and chances are people aren't going to sit watching a show where nothing ever happens.
The best ghost shows I've seen are documentary style ones which were reenactments of events with a narrator thrown in:
A Haunting in Connecticut
A Haunting in Georgia
They're the two I can remember off the top of my head that aired on the Discovery channel, there was a whole bunch of others too with a similar format but I forgot what they were called or what channel I saw them.
The best ghost shows I've seen are documentary style ones which were reenactments of events with a narrator thrown in:
A Haunting in Connecticut
A Haunting in Georgia
They're the two I can remember off the top of my head that aired on the Discovery channel, there was a whole bunch of others too with a similar format but I forgot what they were called or what channel I saw them.
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Perhaps some of us used to be massive believers when we were young but after decades of absolutely zilch proof we can now laugh.
I used to believe in God too and Aliens in UFO's but decades have made me see sense.
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It's all just silly quite frankly.
On a similar note, it seems Richard Dawkins is in a new program on More4 on Wednesday night: http://richarddawkins.net/videos/500515-faith-school-menace
It seems he just can't resist going round making inflamatory comments. As an athiest myself, it really annoys me the way he tries to get his message across.
well what do you want to make, a factual show genuinely investigating whether such things exist or simply an entertainment show?
the very fact you had to ask "so should we pretty much just fake everything in our paranormal show" would indicate the later and you should never try to claim to be the former as it will ruin your credibility.
he really is the atheists abu hamza
so annoying that even the majority of atheists hate him and only pout up with him on principal
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he really is the atheists abu hamza
so annoying that even the majority of atheists hate him and only pout up with him on principal
Pretty much, yes. It's just like he's sparking for a fight every time he opens his trap.
Saying that, I absolutely despise Christian groups that walk around city centres with billboards and shouting to everyone about how Jesus is coming back.
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I gave my views earlier as someone who still watches countless videos on the paranormal because I want to believe but have never seen anything to prove it.
I watched a documentary last week called 2010 International UFO Congress - Best UFO Footage from around the world and from NASA featuring Jaime Maussan and Santiago Garza.
These 2 are respected Ufologists but I found myself shouting at the TV all the way through because they take everything in.
Just once I wanted them to say "This famous footage here, it was proved to be a hoax" and it would have made the documentary more believable because there was some stuff on there that made me go 'Hmm'.
Even though I think it's all silly put some truth in there.
I watched a documentary last week called 2010 International UFO Congress - Best UFO Footage from around the world and from NASA featuring Jaime Maussan and Santiago Garza.
These 2 are respected Ufologists but I found myself shouting at the TV all the way through because they take everything in.
Just once I wanted them to say "This famous footage here, it was proved to be a hoax" and it would have made the documentary more believable because there was some stuff on there that made me go 'Hmm'.
Even though I think it's all silly put some truth in there.
Asking for a well balanced and reasonable argument concerning such things you obviously disbelieve in would probably be much better.
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i use to only enjoy most haunted to learn about the history of the old buildings,castles and stuff,and the old stories ect
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Should mediums be included?
No - Whether you believe in them or not they have a terrible reputation as con artists.
Is the history of the haunting important?
Extremely - but let's be honest here - how many shows will you get through before you run out of interesting hauntings? Do your best and pay each situation the respect they deserve - afterall, a lot of people seem to forget, these are usually places that people have died in.
Do investigators need to use the latest electronic gadgets to aid investigations?
Yes - the process should be empirical also. EMF detectors, Heat & motion detection, Analogue and digital EVP recordings should be standard but, unlike certain other shows dont expect one night of investigation is going to show anything up.
Would you be happy seeing a show where not much happens (instead of the shennanigans that happen on other shows)?
Yes - because it would legitimise the show - however you need not have 'dull' shows - you can take the angle that the US series Ghost hunters takes - which is to use the time to educate th audience and dispel myths by seeking to debunk all witness accounts until no explanation can be found.
A unique angle for me would be an amalgamation of three styles/shows
Strange but true -
a more formally presented show aired in the early 90's by michael aspel. These shows were often about famous cases but also lesser well known ones made entertaining by the style of the show.
Ghost Hunters -
This show is very poplular in the US because of the presenters - they are not full time ghost hunters or eccentrics in any way - they are plumbers who hunt in their spare time - this legitimises them. Furthermore GH is , from the outset, presenting itself as a show that aims to debunk first - again legitimising it. as time goes on the regular hunters become familiar to the audience adding a soap opera element to it as their real lives progress. they use lots of gadgets and follow an empirical process on the whole.
GH still falls into some of the same 'traps' though - such as switching all the lights off (why???? lol) and then having the presenters jumping at every show - it gets annoying.
Derren Brown
Much more moral - the recent shows presented the true feelings of Derren as someone that is deeply angered at those meaning to mislead others such as the medium
the key to success in my view is to do your level best to be scientific whilst telling a true story.
edit: also be sure to pay the hoaxes and urban myths / misinterpretations their dues - they can be fascinating in their own right - and, indeed, vilify them if these hoaxes hurt people in anyway.
edit 2: pay homage to the Society for Psychical Research - an excellent organisation that is the epitome of what a scientific paranormal investigative organisation should be - its made of equally of skeptics as well as belivers with most of the members being scientists of no persuasion - they may provide you with a lot of material - go to them first.
No - Whether you believe in them or not they have a terrible reputation as con artists.
Is the history of the haunting important?
Extremely - but let's be honest here - how many shows will you get through before you run out of interesting hauntings? Do your best and pay each situation the respect they deserve - afterall, a lot of people seem to forget, these are usually places that people have died in.
Do investigators need to use the latest electronic gadgets to aid investigations?
Yes - the process should be empirical also. EMF detectors, Heat & motion detection, Analogue and digital EVP recordings should be standard but, unlike certain other shows dont expect one night of investigation is going to show anything up.
Would you be happy seeing a show where not much happens (instead of the shennanigans that happen on other shows)?
Yes - because it would legitimise the show - however you need not have 'dull' shows - you can take the angle that the US series Ghost hunters takes - which is to use the time to educate th audience and dispel myths by seeking to debunk all witness accounts until no explanation can be found.
A unique angle for me would be an amalgamation of three styles/shows
Strange but true -
a more formally presented show aired in the early 90's by michael aspel. These shows were often about famous cases but also lesser well known ones made entertaining by the style of the show.
Ghost Hunters -
This show is very poplular in the US because of the presenters - they are not full time ghost hunters or eccentrics in any way - they are plumbers who hunt in their spare time - this legitimises them. Furthermore GH is , from the outset, presenting itself as a show that aims to debunk first - again legitimising it. as time goes on the regular hunters become familiar to the audience adding a soap opera element to it as their real lives progress. they use lots of gadgets and follow an empirical process on the whole.
GH still falls into some of the same 'traps' though - such as switching all the lights off (why???? lol) and then having the presenters jumping at every show - it gets annoying.
Derren Brown
Much more moral - the recent shows presented the true feelings of Derren as someone that is deeply angered at those meaning to mislead others such as the medium
the key to success in my view is to do your level best to be scientific whilst telling a true story.
edit: also be sure to pay the hoaxes and urban myths / misinterpretations their dues - they can be fascinating in their own right - and, indeed, vilify them if these hoaxes hurt people in anyway.
edit 2: pay homage to the Society for Psychical Research - an excellent organisation that is the epitome of what a scientific paranormal investigative organisation should be - its made of equally of skeptics as well as belivers with most of the members being scientists of no persuasion - they may provide you with a lot of material - go to them first.
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Was just about to suggest this myself, used to love watching it when I was younger!the 90's program, "strange but true" is how this sort of program should be done - no gadgets or mediums, just hearing peoples personal stories and the evidence they have collected - and then getting a priest in to bless the room in the cases of poltergeists etc
my favourite friday night program ever.
You basically want to create an exact copy of Strange but true? It'd be a surefire hit
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There was a famouse case where the inhabitants of a streetfull of people reported some strange goings on-including a police officer called to an event who witnessed something unusual. It was a real creepy case because it effected so many people. Go back and investigate this in a factual manner. If I can remeber of find details I'll provide them later.
Edit: forget it as I can't remember the location etc
The Enfield Poltergeist - fascinating case - but there are already 2 pretty decent documentaries on it on you tube.
Well an entertaining AND factual show would be nice! I don't know where you got your quote from in the second paragraph though, as personally, I cannot stand the kind of fakery that is often apparent in paranormal shows (i.e. MH and many (or all?) mediums).
I was asking whether viewers would be happy to watch a short investigation into the haunted location during which no activity is reported and then the rest of the show time filled up by something more exciting (history, reconstructions etc) than what other shows do which is spend most of their airtime in the dark house and feel obliged to throw the odd stone to make it more exciting.
Apologies if I wasn't clear enough.