Euro 5 emissions - talk to me

!bluetonic! · 20 Aug 2010 at 12:19

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/252078/

So the ST does not meet standards along with CTR.

Just our of curiosity, is it feasible to:

1. Buy the car from a country that still makes it and import it over?
2. Get the manufactures to sell 'under-clocked' cars and they you pay a nominal amount for a re-map?
3. Get the manufacturer i.e Honda to sell a 1.2 litre CTR with a mechanism for a really easy engine transplant and then you pay another company to install the 2.0 Vtec lump in.

Janesy B · 20 Aug 2010 at 12:30

I'm sure the next range of engines will be compliant. The Civic and Focus will be replaced soon, the Focus will drop the Volvo engine in favour of an EcoBoost 2l turbo engine for the mk3.

lordrobs · 20 Aug 2010 at 13:42

Janesy B said:
I'm sure the next range of engines will be compliant. The Civic and Focus will be replaced soon, the Focus will drop the Volvo engine in favour of an EcoBoost 2l turbo engine for the mk3.

Exactly. I can't see what all the fuss is about really. People are complaining about the emissions regs, personally I think it is a good move to force manufacturers to develop better engines rather than just churning out revisions of the same old lump time and time again.

MikeHiow · 20 Aug 2010 at 14:20

Should be good for residuals.

Peerzy · 20 Aug 2010 at 14:25

!bluetonic! said:
Just our of curiosity, is it feasible to:

1. Buy the car from a country that still makes it and import it over?
2. Get the manufactures to sell 'under-clocked' cars and they you pay a nominal amount for a re-map?
3. Get the manufacturer i.e Honda to sell a 1.2 litre CTR with a mechanism for a really easy engine transplant and then you pay another company to install the 2.0 Vtec lump in.

1) Would cost a lot in fees and not really make much financial sense.
2) You could do but manufactures don't really want people to know about remaps as it is a very easy way to get more power out of the engine. They'd hardly want to go bragging about it. Plus it invalidates your warranty.
3) Would cost too much, the 'other company' would still not be able to sell you the brand new engine I don't think.

paradigm · 20 Aug 2010 at 14:32

What I don't get is why they just don't continue to sell them, I mean surely a Pagani Zonda or Lamborghini Murcielago don't make Euro 5 standards, but they certainly won't be dropped.

Mr Jack · 20 Aug 2010 at 15:40

paradigm said:
What I don't get is why they just don't continue to sell them, I mean surely a Pagani Zonda or Lamborghini Murcielago don't make Euro 5 standards, but they certainly won't be dropped.

Because, come January, they will be illegal to sell anywhere in Europe if they don't meet the new standard.

matthab · 20 Aug 2010 at 15:42

Mr Jack said:
Because, come January, they will be illegal to sell anywhere in Europe if they don't meet the new standard.

I thought it wouldnt be illegal but there will be an extra charge/tax. manufactures are trying to off set the emiisions by making eco cars like Aston martins version of the IQ.

Mr Jack · 20 Aug 2010 at 15:53

matthab said:
I thought it wouldnt be illegal but there will be an extra charge/tax. manufactures are trying to off set the emiisions by making eco cars like Aston martins version of the IQ.

I'm haven't checked for the Euro 5, but previous emission standards have been just flat required - you don't get to sell a car if it doesn't meet them. I expect Euro 5 will be the same (as it should be).

The Running Man · 20 Aug 2010 at 16:52

its backward.

its forcing up car prices and making them worse spec for europe. how about they try to enforce it world wide? oh thats right because china, US would just laugh it off as a complete joke.

Mr Jack · 20 Aug 2010 at 17:02

Nickg said:
its backward.

You like breathing polluted air, huh?

its forcing up car prices and making them worse spec for europe. how about they try to enforce it world wide? oh thats right because china, US would just laugh it off as a complete joke.

The reason that the US car industry is a complete joke is because the US has completely dragged its feet on emissions and efficiency standards. So while Japan and Europe were making cars with lean, efficient engines they were still making wallowy rubbish.

The Running Man · 20 Aug 2010 at 17:12

You like breathing polluted air, huh?

yes because no euro emissions stop people from driving a 26 year old landrover diesel that throws out so much blue smoke on start up it could account for the emissions of several CTRs....u should have seen my dads old 2.0 diesel Mk2 lanny... it would make a ferrari look green. but lawmakers dont enforce the crushing of these cars do they?

how much of the 02 effect on the planet is UK drivers, compared to say, airplane traffic? china? asia? russian industry?

So while Japan and Europe were making cars with lean, efficient engines they were still making wallowy rubbish.

thats why the US gets a mustang for peanuts and we get a terrible choice of 1.6 litre cars instead.

at the end of the day why not let the customer choose? if i want a 4 litre V8 then why cant i buy one? the US market demands more large cc high output engines. its a larger country. but it doesnt mean that we dont want the choice of it now does it?

Mr Jack · 20 Aug 2010 at 17:32

Nickg said:
yes because no euro emissions stop people from driving a 26 year old landrover diesel that throws out so much blue smoke on start up it could account for the emissions of several CTRs....u should have seen my dads old 2.0 diesel Mk2 lanny... it would make a ferrari look green. but lawmakers dont enforce the crushing of these cars do they?

It's makes a very big difference over time.

how much of the 02 effect on the planet is UK drivers, compared to say, airplane traffic? china? asia? russian industry?

What is the '02 effect'? The particulate matter, and NOx regulated by the Euro standards are primarily localised pollution, so almost all of these pollutants found in our cities is produced by the vehicles in that city.

at the end of the day why not let the customer choose? if i want a 4 litre V8 then why cant i buy one? the US market demands more large cc high output engines. its a larger country. but it doesnt mean that we dont want the choice of it now does it?

Because consumer choice is the world's worst way to regulate pollution, because the cost of the choice is borne by everyone but produced by one person.