i7 920 - funky temps

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Hi all,

For a long time i was running my i7 920 on the stock cooler at stock clocks. Recently i decided to plump for a decent cooler so i could get back into oc'ing.

My i7, idle, has always exhibited varying temps from core to core. After the install of the new HSF (Noctua vertical one with two 120mm fans, think it's called an NH-U12P SE2) 2 cores idled at 45, 2 at 40. I figured this was a little warm, even ocd to 3.4Ghz. Under load - 1 hr of prime95 - every core was up at 82/83 ish. Again, a little hotter than i'd like under ideal circumstances. I figured I'd screwed up the thermal paste, so resolved to have another crack. I went with the "single blob in centre of heat spreader" method initially, as this seems to be the recommended method these days, according to various articles i read. Sure enough though, when i took the HSF off, there was a load of gunk over one side, and none over the other. I decided to go back to the way we USED to apply thermal paste back in the day, and spread a very thin, even covering over the whole CPU. Back into windows and my idle temps are now a much more respectable 42 and 37. A 3 degree saving - nice!

Under load, the story is similar. My max temps are hitting 80 now. Still seems hot to me, but not unmanageable.

However, here's the rub. This time, under load, one core is significantly cooler than the others - WTF? Looking at coretemp as i write this, running prime95, 3 cores are 80, 80, 79 max temp, the other is 76. Plus, looking at the way the temps are bouncing around now, two are 79/80, one is 78/79, the other is 75/76. Doesn't seem right to me - any ideas? Prime hasn't made any mistakes yet btw.

Another bit of info: temps quickly hit mid 70s when i start prime blend, but creep up to 80 ish over a period of 20-30 mins. I had read that thermal saturation is reached after 8-10 mins, and that if temps continue to rise after this, it's caused by heat buildup rather than poor mounting of HSF. I'm using the lower fan speed adapters for the fans on the Noctua - not ultra low noise, just low noise - worth switching this out and going for max speed to keep temps down?

Finally, I'm currently letting my mobo (gigbyte UD5) do the vcore by itself. I'd read that leaving auto vcore on is good for preventing vdroop. Interestingly though, it seems to choose frequencies unde rload far in excess of what various tutorials think i should be using for the oc i'm on. For example, it's currently on 1.312v at 3.4ghz, whereas tuts online reckoned i should be using a vcore of 1.1v for that sort of OC. When i tried using a vcore of 1.1, the pc hung on me trying to start the prime blend. CPUz however, reported the vcore as 1.075 - not quite 1.1 - maybe that's why? What do people here recommend voltage wise?

Sorry for the epic post, and thanks in advance for any help you can offer :)
 
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Id suggest starting with a manually set vcore of 1.200, test your current clockspeed of 3.4ghz for stability, if fine drop the vcore a notch and test again, keep repeating this process till you reach a point where the system fails to post/fails stress test then up the voltage again to a known stable setting. Auto vcore is never a good thing when oc'ing, as an example i can get away with 1.18 vcore all the way up to 3.6ghz, only needing a jump to 1.27500 for 4ghz. Also suggest running your fans at max speed to keep temps in check.
 
Id suggest starting with a manually set vcore of 1.200, test your current clockspeed of 3.4ghz for stability, if fine drop the vcore a notch and test again, keep repeating this process till you reach a point where the system fails to post/fails stress test then up the voltage again to a known stable setting. Auto vcore is never a good thing when oc'ing, as an example i can get away with 1.18 vcore all the way up to 3.6ghz, only needing a jump to 1.27500 for 4ghz. Also suggest running your fans at max speed to keep temps in check.

Thanks setter - will begin this process and swap out the adapters! Any ideas on the mixed core temps under load?
 
Mixed temps are extremely common, my 920 maxes out at 76-71-69-68, tbh its very rare to see any quad with identical temps on all 4 cores, ive only ever seen one screenshot of such a chip.
 
I also use a Noctua U12P SE2 cooler with the LNA wires.

I can get away with a vCore of 1.1375v for 3.6Ghz speed, that's with a QPI/VTT of 1.295v for stability. Prime95 levels off in the early 70s. I've no idea what any other settings I should fiddle with that may help me drop the vCore and QPI voltage any further.
 
Mixed temps are extremely common, my 920 maxes out at 76-71-69-68, tbh its very rare to see any quad with identical temps on all 4 cores, ive only ever seen one screenshot of such a chip.

Understood - many thanks for the info. Set a vcore of 1.2, idle cpuz reported 1.16, underload that dropped to 1.13, but stable so far. Core temps have dropped to 65/63/64/61 under load after 10 mins of prime. That's also with cpu fans sans low noise adapter. Massive improvement - thanks for the help! Will run prime for an hour, if no probs, will drop voltage a notch.

I also use a Noctua U12P SE2 cooler with the LNA wires.

I can get away with a vCore of 1.1375v for 3.6Ghz speed, that's with a QPI/VTT of 1.295v for stability. Prime95 levels off in the early 70s. I've no idea what any other settings I should fiddle with that may help me drop the vCore and QPI voltage any further.

Thanks for the info Tealc. Yeah bit different from my AMD thunderbird ocing days hehe! I remember being proud of a 200mhz increase on air. Btw, maybe i'm going crazy, but this thing doesn't really sound any louder without the LNA wires. Could just be me? My old case had a really really high rpm 80mm exhaust fan at the back which was utterly horrible noise-wise, so this new coolermaster HAF 922 is a dream from that pov. In other words, it's possible i'm just grateful for something which doesn't drown out my tv :D
 
LNA only drops a few hundred RPM down to about 1000rpm. I forget if the standard is 1300 or 1400rpm. If you can't detect the difference then you might as well go full speed.

I have a quiet system (at least until my 4890 gets busy) and can hear the difference between 600rpm and 1000rpm on my Noctua. I use speedfan to slow the fans down at idle. The fans go only a little slower before they stall. The few hundred rpm makes only a small difference to idle temps.
 
LNA only drops a few hundred RPM down to about 1000rpm. I forget if the standard is 1300 or 1400rpm. If you can't detect the difference then you might as well go full speed.

I have a quiet system (at least until my 4890 gets busy) and can hear the difference between 600rpm and 1000rpm on my Noctua. I use speedfan to slow the fans down at idle. The fans go only a little slower before they stall. The few hundred rpm makes only a small difference to idle temps.

Yeah i think i can handle the fan noise. Pretty impressed with how quiet this case is too, but i was coming from something uncomfortably loud!

Next question:

I can get bclck to be stable up to 175 [email protected](1.216 in CPUz). Increasing to just 180 yields errors in prime95 within minutes. Assumed this was a vcore issue, but got to 1.32v (1.268 in cpuz) and the problem didn't go away. Worth pushing the vcore any harder? Or have a reached the limit of this particular processor? Or do i need to fiddle with dram and qpi voltages? They're both on auto at the moment, which i assumed would overdo it if anything, as it did with vcore. Tried dram on 1.6, then 1.64 (numbers in bios are a scary magenta colour after this, which i assumes means "danger will robinson") but neither made any difference. So far haven't touched qpi manually.

thanks in advance for advice all!

EDIT: temps are fine - 73 on hottest core after 30 mins of prime @ 175 - so i figure i've got more headroom temperature wise at least, which i'd like to exploit if poss.
 
Understood - many thanks for the info. Set a vcore of 1.2, idle cpuz reported 1.16, underload that dropped to 1.13, but stable so far. Core temps have dropped to 65/63/64/61 under load after 10 mins of prime. That's also with cpu fans sans low noise adapter. Massive improvement - thanks for the help! Will run prime for an hour, if no probs, will drop voltage a notch.



Thanks for the info Tealc. Yeah bit different from my AMD thunderbird ocing days hehe! I remember being proud of a 200mhz increase on air. Btw, maybe i'm going crazy, but this thing doesn't really sound any louder without the LNA wires. Could just be me? My old case had a really really high rpm 80mm exhaust fan at the back which was utterly horrible noise-wise, so this new coolermaster HAF 922 is a dream from that pov. In other words, it's possible i'm just grateful for something which doesn't drown out my tv :D

no way..i dont agree..u got go for the paste and collers with water
 
Mixed temps are extremely common, my 920 maxes out at 76-71-69-68, tbh its very rare to see any quad with identical temps on all 4 cores, ive only ever seen one screenshot of such a chip.

i reckon having a good tower makes all the difference...
 
Hi all,

For a long time i was running my i7 920 on the stock cooler at stock clocks. Recently i decided to plump for a decent cooler so i could get back into oc'ing.

My i7, idle, has always exhibited varying temps from core to core. After the install of the new HSF (Noctua vertical one with two 120mm fans, think it's called an NH-U12P SE2) 2 cores idled at 45, 2 at 40. I figured this was a little warm, even ocd to 3.4Ghz. Under load - 1 hr of prime95 - every core was up at 82/83 ish. Again, a little hotter than i'd like under ideal circumstances. I figured I'd screwed up the thermal paste, so resolved to have another crack. I went with the "single blob in centre of heat spreader" method initially, as this seems to be the recommended method these days, according to various articles i read. Sure enough though, when i took the HSF off, there was a load of gunk over one side, and none over the other. I decided to go back to the way we USED to apply thermal paste back in the day, and spread a very thin, even covering over the whole CPU. Back into windows and my idle temps are now a much more respectable 42 and 37. A 3 degree saving - nice!

Under load, the story is similar. My max temps are hitting 80 now. Still seems hot to me, but not unmanageable.

However, here's the rub. This time, under load, one core is significantly cooler than the others - WTF? Looking at coretemp as i write this, running prime95, 3 cores are 80, 80, 79 max temp, the other is 76. Plus, looking at the way the temps are bouncing around now, two are 79/80, one is 78/79, the other is 75/76. Doesn't seem right to me - any ideas? Prime hasn't made any mistakes yet btw.

Another bit of info: temps quickly hit mid 70s when i start prime blend, but creep up to 80 ish over a period of 20-30 mins. I had read that thermal saturation is reached after 8-10 mins, and that if temps continue to rise after this, it's caused by heat buildup rather than poor mounting of HSF. I'm using the lower fan speed adapters for the fans on the Noctua - not ultra low noise, just low noise - worth switching this out and going for max speed to keep temps down?

Finally, I'm currently letting my mobo (gigbyte UD5) do the vcore by itself. I'd read that leaving auto vcore on is good for preventing vdroop. Interestingly though, it seems to choose frequencies unde rload far in excess of what various tutorials think i should be using for the oc i'm on. For example, it's currently on 1.312v at 3.4ghz, whereas tuts online reckoned i should be using a vcore of 1.1v for that sort of OC. When i tried using a vcore of 1.1, the pc hung on me trying to start the prime blend. CPUz however, reported the vcore as 1.075 - not quite 1.1 - maybe that's why? What do people here recommend voltage wise?

Sorry for the epic post, and thanks in advance for any help you can offer :)

lol epic...thats just funny,,honestly i reckon have a good watercooler could do the job
 
no way..i dont agree..u got go for the paste and collers with water

I'm not against water cooling, but just doing it casually at the mo, so not interested in making that sort of investment money/time wise. I had always heard you could get good results from an i7 on air though, so i figured i'd have a crack :D

i reckon having a good tower makes all the difference...

I assume by tower you're referring to the case? I just got a coolermaster HAF 922 which was well reviewed. Rooted all the cables nicely behind the mobo tray, so there's no wires cluttering things up, so airflow should be pretty good.

lol epic...thats just funny,,honestly i reckon have a good watercooler could do the job

Glad it tickled you ;) No doubt water would do a great job, but right now i'm just planning on sticking with what i've got. Can't afford anything else really :D
 
Some more temps for your reference.

My 920 runs so hot! But I have a Coolermaster Sileo case which is very small, lined with foam and only has two case fans so I kinda deserve it but:

Stock (2.8Ghz) - 44 Idle and 77-75 prime load
Overclocked (3.8Ghz) - 58 Idle and 85-92 prime load

I think I have the same cooler as you.

I also have an mCubed T-Balancer BigNG controlling the fans with 4 digital temperature sensors on various components which automatically speed up the fans when needed, but for the most part my PC is sooooo quiet. Definitely recommend one of these.

Nonetheless I have run it this way for over a year without issues. In summary, your temps are ace :cool:
 
I can get bclck to be stable up to 175 [email protected](1.216 in CPUz). Increasing to just 180 yields errors in prime95 within minutes. Assumed this was a vcore issue, but got to 1.32v (1.268 in cpuz) and the problem didn't go away. Worth pushing the vcore any harder?

Is yours a C0 or a D0? The older C0 stepping processors do need more volts to get them to 4Ghz, and a lot of people settled below this value for a 24/7 clock due to the additional heat. Most D0 chips will go to 4Ghz easily, even 4.2Ghz if you up the volts, beyond that it gets a bit hairy voltage wise.

I don't have my settings to hand but my 4Ghz comes with a 1.3v on the core, which is standard for all ocuk 920 4Ghz overclocks.

I'm sure if you do a little search you'll come across some guides on here to help you squeeze a little more than 3.6 out of your chip, unless it is a C0 of course.
 
Some more temps for your reference.

My 920 runs so hot! But I have a Coolermaster Sileo case which is very small, lined with foam and only has two case fans so I kinda deserve it but:

Stock (2.8Ghz) - 44 Idle and 77-75 prime load
Overclocked (3.8Ghz) - 58 Idle and 85-92 prime load

I think I have the same cooler as you.

I also have an mCubed T-Balancer BigNG controlling the fans with 4 digital temperature sensors on various components which automatically speed up the fans when needed, but for the most part my PC is sooooo quiet. Definitely recommend one of these.

Nonetheless I have run it this way for over a year without issues. In summary, your temps are ace :cool:

Thanks for the info dude - will defo check out that mCubed thing :)

Yeah i'd just had enough of the volume of my old setup. Was driving me crazy! My current system probably isn't super quiet by most standard consumer's standards, but it feels like silence to me LOL. I did look at some super quiet cases from quiet-pc, but in the end, wanted to try and save some cash.

Thanks :D I'm really happy with them now.
 
Is yours a C0 or a D0? The older C0 stepping processors do need more volts to get them to 4Ghz, and a lot of people settled below this value for a 24/7 clock due to the additional heat. Most D0 chips will go to 4Ghz easily, even 4.2Ghz if you up the volts, beyond that it gets a bit hairy voltage wise.

I don't have my settings to hand but my 4Ghz comes with a 1.3v on the core, which is standard for all ocuk 920 4Ghz overclocks.

I'm sure if you do a little search you'll come across some guides on here to help you squeeze a little more than 3.6 out of your chip, unless it is a C0 of course.

Yeah i've been doing a bit of reading about the diff steppings, and mine is listed as c0/c1 in cpu-z - i got it only a couple of months after the i7s launched.

I might try pushing the vcore as high as i dare to see if i can get stability at 180 base :D I mean the auto ran it at 1.32 reported in cpu-z, which is way way way above what i'm at now (1.216). If i set 1.32 in bios, i only get a 1.268 reported in cpu-z, so i figure i'd have to set 1.35 or more to get 1.32 to show up in cpu-z. Might also try pushing the the QPI voltage myself. How about fiddling with the QPI frequency manually, or decreasing the uncore multiplier? I'd read a couple of forum posts elsewhere which seemed to suggest this course of action, though i haven't investigated what it means/what the implications are.

EDIT: But tbh, if 3.6 is all i get, i can handle that. An increase of almost 40% seems like a good deal to me :D
 
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no way..i dont agree..u got go for the paste and collers with water

i reckon having a good tower makes all the difference...
Honestly, what are you on about, good tower or not, and what do you mean by a "coller", your not really helping the op with posts like this, im not being rude or impolite but could you please post something thats helpful and may benefit the person asking the question.:)
 
Would send you this guide by trust but you don't have it enabled.

I have an overclock guide for the older C0 920s which I have uploaded to MF. It's based on the Gigabyte X58 Extreme board though. The settings you need will still be there though.

File link here
 
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