did you donate to pakistan? i was going to but...

[Neil79]

Israel or India.

If it was India i'd phone customer support and see if the line was dead lol

 

[Robbo]

I simply won't donate to these types of countries. The majority of their populations lives in abject poverty, whilst a select few earn billions. And all the while their governments spend billions on nuclear weapons programs, nuclear subs, and various other programs designed to do anything but help their own people. I may not be able to control where our overseas aid goes, but I sure as hell won't spend what little of my own money is not taxed on corrupt regimes like those.

I pretty much agree with this.

 

[Edrof]

Out of interest (I know nothing of these things), would Pakistan send us equivalent aid if a natural disaster hit the UK?

 

[starfighter]

Out of interest (I know nothing of these things), would Pakistan send us equivalent aid if a natural disaster hit the UK?

No.


Instead of money we should just buy them Bounty or whatever that crap kitchen roll is called. Soaks up floods with just one sheet.

Fly over and drop a few rolls of that from a B52.

Atleast it can't be used as a weapon.

Or a nuclear blast of some kind might evaporate a bit of h20.

 

[danielanthony]

I hate the way in which the Pakistani government basically says that if the West doesn't help then don't blame them for increased terrorism. Talk about trying to hold a gun to our heads.

The seems to be a lot of talk about how the West can stop the radicalisation of Muslims, by being more sensitive to their concerns and desires. Well what about the radicalisation of Western populations against the Muslim world? Every time we see video's like this on YouTube, burning of American and British flags on their streets, protests against Facebook, Danish cartoons and demanding authors to be put to death isn't really making the average man on the street feel any sympathy towards Pakistan or its people.

From what I know of Pakistan, the government and its people see me as un-Islamic and wouldn't care if I were dead. The Islamic world isn't really doing a lot to improve it's perception in the West.

 

[Greenlizard0]

Out of interest (I know nothing of these things), would Pakistan send us equivalent aid if a natural disaster hit the UK?

The idea of giving overseas, to Pakistan or Haiti for example, is that we're helping them to get off their feet when if left to their own governments and finances they'd struggle after a massive disaster.

To be fair as well, if you look at which countries are more likely to need aid and which are more likely to send, it'd be a fair assumption that in an alternative universe where Pakistan was the UK and vice versa and a disaster hit us, they would help.

I hate the way in which the Pakistani government basically says that if the West doesn't help then don't blame them for increased terrorism. Talk about trying to hold a gun to our heads.

They sort of however do have a point. I've always believed that truly desperate and hungry people who are backed into a wall develop ill feeling easily, something that in this country we're never really en mass going to experience (thank god). There seems to these days be a common source of blame as well. I don't know what it is about Islamic leaders as well but my word some of them are never subtle or diplomatic.

 

[platypus]

Trying to decide what really to take from this thread and most poignant thing is the lack of sympathy being used to reinforce the current theme of political beliefs, i.e. wholesale general anti-Muslim state feelings. I get the impression the same responses would have occurred had this natural disaster occurred elsewhere between Turkey and Pakistan. Though curiously I wonder about peoples' reply if say a large natural disaster had hit e.g. Israel or India.

My sympathies, or lack of, would be the same. Again you have big spending nuclear powers that can't, or rather don't want to, afford to sort out the mess and poverty in their own country. India in particular has spent Billions on nuclear weapons, recently spent $11Bn on upgrading part of its sub fleet to nuclear, all the while begging for and receiving how much in international aid because of their 'poverty' ($10Bn in 2007 according to the World bank are the only recent figures I can find)? It has nothing to do with being Muslim, and everything to do with hypocrisy and bad management.

 

[meghatronic]

I refuse outright to donate any money to a country with a nuclear programme/massive military/notable space programme. Not out of some hippy morals, but if they can afford that, they can afford to sort 'disasters' out.

 

[[TFU] Thegoon84]

The way the Pakistan goverment are going about this will mean every1 in the country will suffer the same fate!

I can assure you all a guy in my office just translated a news cast and said that the goverment is up in arms over whats happened and has arrested the entire village, which means they'll be in prison for a min of 4 - 5 months before trial which will carry a sentence of death if found guilty.

Thats one of the worst video's i've seen i will be honest, however nobody can say they were 3rd world.... they have video mobile phones and access to youtube!!!

 

[meghatronic]

Thats one of the worst video's i've seen i will be honest, however nobody can say they were 3rd world.... they have video mobile phones and access to youtube!!!

That doesn't mean they're not a developing country (third world is a bit pejorative, no?). IMF actually classify Pakistan as an emerging and developing country, and their classifications are quite thorough.

 

[MumboJumbo]

Have only read the first 40 odd comments but I think it unfair to bash a country like pakistan for "supporting terroists". When you think about it, sure they should be working with countries like england,america.germany.france etc to oust them from parkistan. But at the same time the only real help against terrorists is coming from england and america and we all know this is for other vested interests. Pakistan doesn't have the abilities that the western countries have to be able to fight terror and if the terroists wanted to they could probably rip pakistan apart so why on earth would they go and try and oust them and ruin their country?

I refuse outright to donate any money to a country with a nuclear programme/massive military/notable space programme. Not out of some hippy morals, but if they can afford that, they can afford to sort 'disasters' out.

This. Quite frankly I refuse to donate to countries which don't give a flying **** about their own people. As far as they are conserned, their people are just there to milk money out of. Look at africa. It's the same. Sure all this aid gets poured into it and in some places it is helping. But in others all it is doing is feeding corrupt governments to buy more weapons. Imo, they shouldn't send money. They should force a change in government and then give money. You can't tell me that the western worlds don't have the power to do such thing and then africa could start to flourish. But it is of course not in the western worlds intrest to bring up the underdogs. After all, they get cheap things like dimonds over there.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Pakistan, do not need the handouts, if they can have nuclear weapons they can afford to help their own people. they do not deserve any money from anyone.

 

[mufc802]

No I didn't, the reason above, also I need every penny to pay for my car insurance.

 

[MumboJumbo]

I have always been of the mind set "it's us or them" and I think too many people don't live in the real world. "Everyone must be happy and wealthy bla bla bla". The world doesn't function like that and I don't think they realise just how different their lovely countries would be if there were no underdogs. No cheap wood from Brazil etc. The day that all countries become like England is now is the day that England becomes a "nobody". We are a tiny country and the only reason we actually mean something in the world is because we screwed over so many other countries in the process. There are far bigger countries then us like Poland who no body knows or cares about.

If the country won't help it's self then we might as well help our selves. There will always be starving people etc etc and it will never change because countries like ours will never let it happen.

That being said I do support the idea of at least providing shelter for these people even if their own stupid government won't. I just don't support pumping money into their countrys which their government isn't and instead is putting it into things like nuclear weapons. But lets not forget that do you not think that maybe the reason the countries are in these positions is because countries like ours want to be the big dogs and so they don't want others to have nuclear weapons and they end up bankrupting them so they can't continue research? Wouldn't suprise me. No im not saying we caused the flood.

 

[Darkst4r]

As I recall Pakistan jeered America when hurricane Katrina struck saying "it was the will of Allah to punish the West".

Allah is obviously angry at Pakistan right now so who are we to intervene or go against Gods will ?

Also this : http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...n-pound-kashmir-earthquake-aid_100412053.html

 

[Andy]

Wipe em out, start again. Shortens the whole process somewhat.

 

[i know nothing]

Throw good money after bad in the vain hope that it might actually help? No thanks, I'll stay in the real world.

 

[craptakular]

I won't give them money, our own, dear PM said the Pakistanis are supporting terrorists.


Why would I support terrorism by donating?

 

[Tysonator]

Donated £100. Hope it goes towards more terrorist attacks as i really want Isreal wiped off the face of the planet!

Through out history the Jews have had a bad time with one king, Queen, Governments, Religions, & other races etc. I have to ask my self why is this happening some often to them, what is occurring !
Of course it was the Jews who wanted the Romans to crucify Jesus was not there best action to be noted down in history !

 

[Tysonator]

It isn't quite on the same scale as Pakistan, we are one of the richest countries, the amount we spend on Nukes is pretty small considering our GDP.

Where as Pakistan is the 44th richest nation yet has nukes when only about 6 nations have them. Punching above your weight much?

Anyway it is a complex situation and I suppose the people can't help it if there is a nutter in charge so I gave a few Pence. Probably been spent on AK47 bullets by now like.

I think most people would hope that all of the money goes to the diaster victims !
At the moment I think about third of the country is flooded, so it is a huge task to get relief out to these people in some very remote areas. Then were do you take people where there is no dry land !
For sure Pakistan being the 44th richest nationare going to struggle with the hugh scale. Though I think the poor / peasants will be left to get on with once the flood water has by the Pakistan governement. So agin it will be aid groups asking for more money to support local communities that should the role of teir government !

As I recall Pakistan jeered America when hurricane Katrina struck saying "it was the will of Allah to punish the West".

Allah is obviously angry at Pakistan right now so who are we to intervene or go against Gods will ?

Also this : http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal...n-pound-kashmir-earthquake-aid_100412053.html

Comments like this from Islamic fundamentalist are not winning the situation for their cause of national aid relief.
I do remember this article being published regarding the New Orleans flood.
Also do the Islamic fundamentalist appreciate western aid or we are just stupid for getting involve, or do they see as an opportunity to get more out of western governments before they then car bomb an Embassy !

This whole situation is way more political than it should be, and does a small peasant village in the hinter land of Pakistan really care about Islamic brothers being oppressed and jailed in Guantánamo Bay ! I think they must be more interested in getting their crops to grow and harvesting them for their family.