marrying your cousin?

How can you live a life being deaf and blind?


You would basicaly be living a pointless existance i would want to die.

You wouldnt understand anything as you couldnt see or hear its like being a big piece of meat walking around -_- :(

I wish i could help these kids they dont deserve being born into this **** for there selfish parents.
 
Sp00n said:
Good lord, so much incest going on :eek:
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It's a fairly recent phenomenon to call cousin relationships bad isn't it? Genetic theory was only relatively recently discovered as well.

Would be pretty amazing if evolution had led us to to find it instinctively repulsive. However, how much evidence is there for that? Current (non biological arguments) tend to be due to social engineering I'd say.

Like everyone else though, I find it repulsive, for whatever reason that happens to be.
 
Sukh said:
It kinda does, the NHS has to spend vast sums of money to provide care for the offspring.
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This kind of education doesn't exist at all though. I wonder how many of these parents know that it is their fault? Maybe they are told at the hospital if there happens to be a problem, but then its too late.

The problem then becomes about personal freedoms, if you legislate against it.

It isn't just people with problems due to close breeding, but also there are people who genetically are wrong for each other. Can you legislate against them as well? Are people with Huntingdon's disease not allowed to breed?
 
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Actually missed this show unfortunately but heard it was pretty good. The missus was saying a lot of people do it because parents have somebody to look after them in elderly life and retirement. (Presumably as if its all in the family then everyones closer to each other).

As for the healthcare point of view...I've seen a 4 month old baby born into a consanguinous marriage die infront of me in hospital. IMO its wrong but I cant even come close to describing the feeling, all the family around the bed.
 
The problem then becomes about personal freedoms, if you legislate against it.

It isn't just people with problems due to close breeding, but also there are people who genetically are wrong for each other. Can you legislate against them as well? Are people with Huntingdon's disease not allowed to breed?
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i think this is a problem in the UK, you can do utterly stupid things KNOWING there will be a costly outcome to the NHS - yet they dont ask you to personally foot the bill or refuse to treat.

and these problems can be so exceptionally cost prohibitive that it will impair the level of care recieved by the next person.

its pretty selfish really, ones demand to reproduce is seen as a human right, not a luxury with a premium upon it.
 
I’m glad to see the Pakistani community are really coming into their own.

ghost101 said:
It's a fairly recent phenomenon to call cousin relationships bad isn't it? Genetic theory was only relatively recently discovered as well.

Would be pretty amazing if evolution had led us to to find it instinctively repulsive.
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What you mean in the same way that every generation of humans have to re-learn that it's bad to eat poisonous fruit, put your nuts in a fire or consume you own excrement?

It doesn’t have to be a genetically instinctive behaviour. It can be learned because of undesirable consequences and passed down the generations.

Tbh watching the video has actually made me quite angry.
 
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ghost101 said:
This kind of education doesn't exist at all though. I wonder how many of these parents know that it is their fault? Maybe they are told at the hospital if there happens to be a problem, but then its too late.
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I didn't watch the program, but I would think it was common sense/instinctive that you don't do cousins? The thought repulses me, and it is not like I got told at school not to, you just know its wrong.
 
The thing I find so disturbing about the practise is the first family in the video had 3 disabled children. After the first one the doctor must have explained to them why their child was disabled and the likelihood of any future children also being born with a disability. Despite this they went on to have a further 3 children, 2 of which we born with the same disability as the first.

With it being against the law why weren't these people stopped?
 
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Stretch said:
The thing I find so disturbing about the practise is the first family in the video had 3 disabled children. After the first one the doctor must have explained to them why their child was disabled and the likelihood of any future children also being born with a disability. Despite this they went on to have a further 3 children, 2 of which we born with the same disability as the first.

With it being against the law why weren't these people stopped?
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because if you want a child and it is born disabled, the 'natural' thought is lets try again for another and i guess hope it comes out 'normal'... then when that doesnt work, you try again...

What you mean in the same way that every generation of humans have to re-learn that it's bad to eat poisonous fruit, put your nuts in a fire or consume you own excrement?
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depends really what you attribute that fault to be? if you dont know you could put it down to god, or luck or something...
 
Met a relation at a wedding recently whom I'd not seen for nearly 10 years and she's now a hot young 20 year old who is actually not technically even related to me - is dads cousins step daughter!

/I'm flying out to visit her in 3 weeks or so :D
 
This was a disturbing film.

What disturbed me most was the 'hid behind the racist attacks on the muslim community'. Even though you saw those poor kids in that way. That boy's wailing still makes me feel sad. They can all see it themselves. But wont accept it.

Just because one person did it and it was fine doesn't mean the same for you.
'Respect out 800 year old traditions by not making a public health campaign'

What about our 800 year old traditions that are constantly transcended these days?

I wish more of those people would be like that GP at the end. Not attacking the muslim community, but laying out the facts pure and simple. Facts are facts. If your child has genetic defects due to your incestuous marriage, then it may well be safe to say that cousin marriages are not safe. Think about the children. Also banging on about other communities in which this practice happens is irrelevant. People have always known, with a little common sense that interbreeding and incest is at least morally wrong and now we know that it is genetically wrong.

I respect religious piety and zeal, but genetic defects are not Allah's will or God's will.
I still can't believe the ignorance shown on that program. I want to go and shake some of them and shout "look at your ******* child, wake up". No one deserves to be born that way with those defects: what kind of life can they expect?

Makes me feel so sad for those poor kids that such backward views are the cause of their misery when it's evident that these problems could be avoided.
 
Nickg said:
because if you want a child and it is born disabled, the 'natural' thought is lets try again for another and i guess hope it comes out 'normal'... then when that doesnt work, you try again...
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Any birth that resulted in such a rare genetic condition would be investigated to find out the chances of it happening again. The probability was calculated as a 1 in 4 chance of having a healthy baby. That's the not the sort of odds where you "try again" and "hope it comes out 'normal'"

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depends really what you attribute that fault to be? if you dont know you could put it down to god, or luck or something...
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Humans have worked out many things by trial and error. It's been generally accepted since antiquity that you shouldn't have children with a siblings for the very same reason. It doesn’t take a huge leap of the imagination to suggest that the same could apply to first cousins.
 
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well apparently some people do, or are they deliberately doing it on purpose to cost the nhs more money?

im saying that they dont know the odds or are ignoring them and trying again.
 
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