marrying your cousin?

Your sister is your mother,
Your uncle is your brother,
You all **** one another,
The Norwich family.

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Ooops, though it was the football
 
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Khaaan! said:
Holy crap man, myself, my family and everyone I know must be in the 1% group, we SO need to play the lottery for beating such odds.

I suggest you disown whoever pulled this figure out from their bunghole.

What I have seen and heard from various conversations is that the bulk of these "cousin" based marriages are due to money or personality/looks issues or where the families in question are too closed or are too poor to be able to appeal to an outside family who are looking for a suitable suitor for their son or daughter.

Sensible modern day Asian parents are extremely picky on who their kids decide to marry, they go beyond just finding out about the partner in question if their child brings someone home one day for example they gather what they call "bio data" where they do a complete (or as complete as possible) historical check on his or her family from medical to financial and education, they should not be related by blood and they must have the the assets (if male) to be able to support their daughter.

It's like a modern version of how you see marriages kick off in movies set in the pre-industrial revolution times where boy x and girl y meet at function z and both families then spend ages checking each other out (...so to speak) and then arranging all the big days.

The term "arranged" is so misinterpreted (with no thanks to bad media) that people instantly think of it as 2 people being forced into marriage to whoever their family wants them to marry and that certainly isn't the case to anyone I personally know in this country or any of the other 3 that my close friends family span!

Sure you do hear about it but that doesn't mean it happens to everyone.

There's nothing in religion that says you have to marry your cousin either, it's just people being dim.
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did you watch the programme?

it said in the programme that in 1 area 75% of pakistani's had married their first cousins. im guessing that the other 25% didnt have arranged marriages.

if your modern thinking then you dont have arranged marriages and therefore wouldnt be marrying your cousins, but yes 99% of the arranged marriages by pakistani muslims is to their cousins, it may not be a first cousin in all instances but definitely cousins.

i know what an arranged marriage is im Sikh and pakistani's are forced into marrying, maybe your family is more forward thinking but the majority arent, i have seen it from own personal experiences with them and from pakistani friends. what you described wasnt arranged marriages but love marriages where the boy and girl meet by themselves, so you obviously dont know what an arranged marriage is. an arranged marriage is when the boy and girl are emotionally blackmailed to marry each other by family and not of their own free choice. what you described is a love marriage where they meet each other and introduce their families to each other and then the families arrange it, its completely different.

watch the programme, nearly every pakistani on it was married to their cousin.
 
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Can I ask what actually causes these issues? ie sleeping with a cousin? What part of that makes the baby get deformed have issues etc?

Is it the related blood line / DNA or other factors also?
 
Delvis said:
Can I ask what actually causes these issues? ie sleeping with a cousin? What part of that makes the baby get deformed have issues etc?

Is it the related blood line / DNA or other factors also?
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related blood line.

first cousins have the same grandparents.

if 1 of your grandparents has a defective gene, theres a 50% chance of it being given to their kids.

they then pass it on to their children, etc. now if 2 of those children were to marry, it causes problems because theres a huge chance of both of them having it and if both parents have it and pass it down, then 1 in 3 kids will be seriously ill.

the gene being passed on is no big problem, its when both parents have it, that it becomes a problem. first cousins are far more likely to carry the gene than 2 random people.
 
Delvis said:
Can I ask what actually causes these issues? ie sleeping with a cousin? What part of that makes the baby get deformed have issues etc?

Is it the related blood line / DNA or other factors also?
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Often genetic defects require both parents dna to match or combine in some way. Now if you share dna, that becomes much more likely.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
did you watch the programme?

it said in the programme that in 1 area 75% of pakistani's had married their first cousins. im guessing that the other 25% didnt have arranged marriages.

if your modern thinking then you dont have arranged marriages and therefore wouldnt be marrying your cousins, but yes 99% of the arranged marriages by pakistani muslims is to their cousins, it may not be a first cousin in all instances but definitely cousins.

i know what an arranged marriage is im Sikh and pakistani's are forced into marrying, maybe your family is more forward thinking but the majority arent, i have seen it from own personal experiences with them and from pakistani friends. what you described wasnt arranged marriages but love marriages where the boy and girl meet by themselves, so you obviously dont know what an arranged marriage is. an arranged marriage is when the boy and girl are emotionally blackmailed to marry each other by family and not of their own free choice. what you described is a love marriage where they meet each other and introduce their families to each other and then the families arrange it, its completely different.

watch the programme, nearly every pakistani on it was married to their cousin.
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Arranged marriage does not = forced marriage.

Arranged marriages work like this: Your parents / family look for a suitable match and then introduce you to each other. The couple take it from there, chat, go out, see how they like each other. If they don't see it working out they leave it there and the family continues there search.

What you've described is a forced marriage.
 
Yep its true, especially with pakistani's from the kashmir regions, these folk generally make up the bulk of the uk pakistani population (as high as 75%). I dont like or agree with the practice,but its nothing new.

That said, looking at my pakistani mates, probably 80-85 of them who have had arranged marriages have not married cousins, not 1st or 2nd anyway, but they do have some sort of clan connection. it does happen in other subcontinent cultures aswell,I know Sikh and Hindu families that have done this.

Disabilies arent soley the cause of 1st cousin marriages though, my bro is slightly disabled, my parents were not related.
 
So called "honour" killings do happen yes, but people get killed all over the world for all reasons, for drugs, for looking at their neighbour funny, for being black, for being white, for being smart....what's new?!

It shouldn't happen, nobody should have to be murdered for whatever reason in an ideal world but sadly our world is far from ideal today.
 
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Yes, its really this simple and there are never people murdered of not liking the man who has been chosen for them.
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You can discuss the extreme in anything. I was stating what a proper arranged marriage entails. The other post said in black and white that an arranged marriage is one where the couple are emotionally blackmailed into marrying each other, which is not what an 'arranged marriage' is.

Now what in my post was incorrect?
 
Khaaan! said:
So called "honour" killings do happen yes, but people get killed all over the world for all reasons, for drugs, for looking at their neighbour funny, for being black, for being white, for being smart....what's new?!

It shouldn't happen, nobody should have to be murdered for whatever reason in an ideal world but sadly our world is far from ideal today.
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Well the presenter managed to escape the potentially horrific concoction of dodgy genes from inbreeding anyway, apparently her Grandparents were first cousins but she came out looking ok (I call that luck though).
 
I believe in different types of love. Love for your wife/girlfriend, love for your family and love for god. When people get married to their cousin they combine the love for their family with love for their partner = incest

Incest relations bring inbred kids fact. Sad sad life for them. They might as well start marrying their mums, sisters and aunties. Dispiccable!!!
 
Mr_Sean said:
I used to live next door to married, white, English first cousins. They had 4 children, the two oldest were the ugliest people I think I have ever seen, like a genetic experiment gone wrong. The two youngest were extremely badly mentally and physically disabled and damn ugly to boot. A perfect example of why not to breed with your first cousin!

Having said that I had an ex-girlfriend who was the daughter of first cousins, very good looking, intelligent etc but she did have a rather heavy appetite for drink and drugs which I expect was related to the parents appetite for the same.
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The point about drink and drugs sounds like nurture rather than nature though, which is rather unrelated.

Clearly the cases they show are extreme ones, and they are absolutely awful. There is plenty of incidence of couples that aren't related producing multiple children with inherited defects like Down's syndrome and Huntingdons disease.

There haven't been enough studies to prove there is statistical significance, I've had a look at a few and there are quite a number of contradictory conclusions.

That said, it certainly appeals to intuition that there is something deeply wrong with first-cousin reproduction.. Those poor kids, can't see or hear, unimaginably terrible.
 
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