Gurkha ordered back to UK after beheading dead Taliban fighter

Amnesia said:
we didn't go in because someone used chemicals though...we went in 10 years later.
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It's all linked. it is all part of his crimes. And a collective reason of why we went in.

of course we haven't put a stop to it, however things should improve. That's the point. You can not change things instantly. Everything takes time, lot's of time.

have we put a stop to killings in the uk. Of course not but they aren't government initiated and there are far fewer.
 
Amnesia said:
I wasn't convinced when the Priminister of the UK and the President of the USA said we needed to go in......
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So you think it is fine to leave mass murder in charge? Ignore WMD he and other dictators(I don't really want to use dictator, but people in charge who use such actions) should be removed.

Look at north Korea. Do you think he should be left in charge killing how many 10's of thousands a year. Do you think it is morally right to do that.


I think it's a great shame we had to go into Iraq and Afghanistan alone. The united nations needs to grow some balls all bark no bite. Would also add many more options before all out war.
 
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Amnesia said:
who knows the answer to that....but one thing we do know is that many many more have died through our actions.
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You cannot know that as we have no way of knowing the overall situation had Saddaam Hussein been allowed to continue. He and his regime were a threat to the entire region and as such trying to say what the consequences were are impossible.

Amnesia said:
as for the living conditions....before the sanctions what was wrong with living in iraq ?
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That would depend entirely on the ethnic group you belonged to. We spent 3 months protecting Kurds from Iraqi reprisals for example.
 
AcidHell2 said:
So you think it is fine to leave mass murder in charge? Ignore WMD he and other dictators(I don't really want to use dictator, but people in charge who use such actions) should be removed.

Look at north Korea. Do you think he should be left in charge killing how many 10's of thousands a year. Do you think it is morally right to do that.


I think it's a great shame we had to go into Iraq and Afghanistan alone. The united nations needs to grow some balls all bark no bite. Would also add many more options before all out war.
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thats the point- we didnt go there to oust a dictator, or else we would give a damn about zimbabwe or other places ( i can see why we don't invade north korea though).. we went there for our own interests..(oil)

we can't use a moral reason for going to iraq, wake up, people wanted blair done for war crimes... our country doesn't care about oppressive regimes abroad, as long as they don't affect us.... Afghanistan may be a different kettle of fish....
 
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ojrules said:
thats the point- we didnt go there to oust a dictator, or else we would give a damn about zimbabwe or other places ( i can see why we don't invade north korea though).. we went there for our own interests..
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Exactly, he was a threat to the region and our security. A good enough reason to oust the bugger.
 
Castiel said:
Exactly, he was a threat to the region and our security. A good enough reason to oust the bugger.
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i'd have to disagree with that... there are far more dangerous countries we could have bothered about.....

It comes down to the fact that iraq had a good ammount of oil, and iraq was a good base to increase our military presence in the middle east... sadam didnt pose a threat, just like iran doesnt really pose a significant threat at this time..
 
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ojrules said:
i'd have to disagree with that... there are far more dangerous countries we could have bothered about.....

It comes down to the fact that iraq had a good ammount of oil, and iraq was a good base to increase our military presence in the middle east... sadam didnt pose a threat, just like iran doesnt really pose a significant threat at this time..
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Exactly he was a threat to our security. Be it economic or otherwise. The stability of the region is paramount to our energy supply and the problem with the Hussein regime is that, unlike Iran his regime was not universally accepted by other Arab nations after his invasion of Kuwait.

Given the strategic and economic value of Iraq, especially given the proximity of Iran, and the added attacks on with the Kurds and minority Shia populations within Iraq, and the threat to his neighbour Kuwait and Israel, Saddaam certainly did pose a threat to the West and even without the WMD the risk to our security was sufficient to precipitate a change of regime.
 
AcidHell2 said:
And America in somalia?

Or all the peace keepers.
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Generally to protect our interests in some way. It doesn't make it wrong, it's just the way of the world.

We have to assess the risk to reward of each intervention, there is nothing we can do about that as we do not have infinite resources or mandates to police everything or everyone.
 
Castiel said:
Exactly he was a threat to our security. Be it economic or otherwise. The stability of the region is paramount to our energy supply and the problem with the Hussein regime is that, unlike Iran his regime was not universally accepted by other Arab nations after his invasion of Kuwait.

Given the strategic and economic value of Iraq, especially given the proximity of Iran, and the added attacks on with the Kurds and minority Shia populations within Iraq, and the threat to his neighbour Kuwait and Israel, Saddaam certainly did pose a threat to the West and even without the WMD the risk to our security was sufficient to precipitate a change of regime.
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ahh you were agreeing with me :o :D
 
AcidHell2 said:
That's the thing it Isn't in the slightest. For most a photo will do, if command deem it necessary you bring entire body back. In no way is beheading essential.
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A person could be made to look like him so easily it's not proof at all. Dragging away a dead body when your under fire is a ridiculous idea.
 
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Energize said:
A person could be made to look like him so easily it's not proof at all. Dragging away a dead body when your under fire is a ridiculous idea.
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Whereas beheading worked so well that they ended up using DNA testing... Next time he should just cut off a finger.
 
"This is considered a gross insult to the Muslims of Afghanistan, who bury the entire body of their dead even if parts have to be retrieved."

And what about when the Taliban cut off the heads of poor innocent reporters???
 
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