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*Official OMG I got my 460 thread*

Dutch Guy said:
I think that if you have enabled V-sync and triple buffering you get 38fps if the framerate drops below 55fps as 2/3 of 55 is 38 (I think triple buffering works that way)
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reading aroudn HARDOc and anand i think its the opposite that triple buffer creates 2 backbuffer and elimites this drop?

maybe read it wrong i dont know.
 
Nickg said:
reading aroudn HARDOc and anand i think its the opposite that triple buffer creates 2 backbuffer and elimites this drop?

maybe read it wrong i dont know.
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It is confusing to say the least.

http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/27719.aspx
As a common example: you’re playing with VSync on, a 60Hz screen, and a frame rate of 60 or more, which VSync caps at the screen’s 60Hz refresh rate. Some sweet looking explosions cut your frame rate to 50 FPS. Without triple buffering, the graphics card can only get one screen out every other refresh. Every other refresh just repeats the previous frame, for an effective 30 FPS.

With the extra buffer, you only have as many identical frame pairs as the graphics card can’t supply. Continuing our example, you would get nine good refreshes, and only every tenth would be identical to its predecessor. That’s 50 FPS, almost as much as your card could do without VSync and triple buffering
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So it is steady at 60fps but as soon as the GPU can't run at 60fps it does not drop to 30fps but drops to whatever it can do so that could explain the 38fps you get as the card just can't render faster.
 
bhavv said:
MSI have been using the 'miltary grade' components for a long time, and even if the reference design does, that doesnt mean that any other brands that are not sticking to the reference design are definately going to.

Tell me then, why do the MSI cards overclock much higher than the others? As with Asus + Gigabytes?

Why is the Palit getting measly overclocks of around 800 Mhz with higher temperatures than the MSI at 890 Mhz?

There is a difference in quality between the brands, you would know this if you've tried using lots of graphics cards. Some brands make worse than reference design cards, with the GTX 460, Palit and Zotac definately seem to be two brands doing just that, and Gainward also use the same PCBs that Palit do. None of them are actually following the reference design, hence there is no gaurantee that they are even using the same build quality, as is the case with the Palit Sonic (non platinum at least), which is far worse with higher temps than even the actual reference design is!

Also, I never said that MSI make the components, they do however make sure to obtain good quality ones, and in this case have the best built GTX 460 available, in terms of how well they OC out of the box. I stated that the MSI / Gigabyte / Asus and even the reference design seem to be using the same high quality parts, at least based on their impressive out of the box overclocks.

Even with the HD 5000 range, the MSI HAWK / Lightning series of cards are of far higher quality than other versions, able to run at higher clocks at lower voltages. Why is this if they arent using higher quality components?

Your 800 Mhz overclock with 80 degrees is nothing impressive for a GTX 460, just about every other brand is managing better than that. I definately wouldnt have been happy with that card, maybe unless I planned on water cooling it.

My MSIs hit 875 Mhz out of the box in SLI (even without VRM cooling) with no aditional tweaking or modding required. The Asus + Gigabyte also manage around that much, whereas The Palit Sonics dont. Its quite as simple as that really.
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Why have some people got i7s that will do 4.0ghz at 1.25 volts and then others need 1.35 volts?

Why does one of my cards do 880mhz out of the box and the other 850mhz?

What is the meaning of life?

Why is the sky blue?

What came first the chicken or the egg?
 
MOOGLEYS said:
I,m quite supprised how well it is doing seeing as it has the non heatpipe heatsink...

Anyway benchmarks mean nowt i will give it a good session later on my most played selection of games and see how it performs then....
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If you'd have listened to some around here you'd think the damn thing would have jumped out of your case and kicked you in the nuts.....
 
Nickg said:
i have a q6600 @ 3.15Ghz plus 4GB ram.

is not the CPU i dont think, i can tweak the settings and stuff and get it not to happen as much...i play 1080p too (btw u must set a custom resolution profile in nv control panel to allow 60fps with vsync).

i only play 2v2 really and fps below 55 is not acceptable. i run 2-8x AF and 2-4x FSAA enable forced V Sync in drivers, tick triple buffering.
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Hmm interesting, i'll have to fiddle with some settings and see what the big performance hit is. I have shaders/textures/shadows/terrain/effects/trees/buildings/models/destruction/scarring etc... all at the highest settings. I remember with my 4850 the single biggest hit was with ultra shaders, where the game would become almost unplayable (like 10fps or so) and also the game refused to go 1080p, it would always go 1080i and i never could fix that so i just ran shaders at high instead.

I'm interested to see if they have changed much in the engine with CoH online, but i have a feeling the game will be not that great. From what little i have read it seems to be all about hero units and such more like DoW.
 
if u work out the magic setting pls let me know.

i turn on the fps counter in MSI afterburner btw so i have OSD showing me live fps so i can track as i play.

then i load a suitable replay turn Fog of War off and go to the same point in the map over and over again to see what the fps is, then scroll then zoom in and out and watch for changes

Ultra shaders means DX10... unless u select ultra it aint dx10.
 
Yep i refuse to run anything less than Ultra shaders on the GTX460, it just looks so much better. I'll mess around with shadows and post processing etc first i think... after i have beaten Mafia 2 :)
 
So what does all this mean.. Are these scores any good.....? Clocks at stock..

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Been having a good play now and in game i notice no difference with the card overclocked or at stock....

According to all the benchmarks i,m getting just over double what i was getting with my 4850...

I,m actually quite liking the card, the whole Nvidia experience seems very polished compared to Ati everything works well.. I love the cool stuff bit on their site with the selection of demos..

So all good so far not putting the box in the cuboard just yet though going to give it a bit longer....:D
 
Nickg said:
i have a q6600 @ 3.15Ghz plus 4GB ram.

is not the CPU i dont think, i can tweak the settings and stuff and get it not to happen as much...i play 1080p too (btw u must set a custom resolution profile in nv control panel to allow 60fps with vsync).

i only play 2v2 really and fps below 55 is not acceptable. i run 2-8x AF and 2-4x FSAA enable forced V Sync in drivers, tick triple buffering.
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Is this why I find I'm capped at 50 fps in COH?
How do you set this up then?
 
Thank you all SOOOO MUCH!
What a great thread!
Got my MSI 460 installed and loving it, have got it sable at varies speeds and set different profiles in Afterburner. Highest stable i'm going to go is 850/1700/4000 at 1.062v.

Question for you all though, ok so I have a high clock and a few diffent clocks in different profiles...

Do you all run the same clock all the time?
Or vary clock with whatever you are doing , so say standard clock for desktop and internet browsing and then ramp it up for gaming, or for example just select say a middle clock of 825/1650/400 @ 1v and leave it at that speed all the time? What do you all do?
What's best?
Thanks for any info...
 
Erm guys sorry if this is a stupid question, i am on my 4th glass of wine now after having been playing Mafia for a couple of hours. I just went into Afterburner while i was having a cig break and for some reason i decided to play with the voltage slider (don't ask lol). Now here's the thing, i have read that the max voltage for these cards is 1.087v, but my slider goes all the way up to 1.213v :confused:

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Is this normal? I don't want to hit apply in case i just insta-nuke the VRM's. I am assuming that if 1.087v was the max, then the slider would stop there, or that would simply be the value at the end of the slider.
 
MOOGLEYS said:
Can you not just click the reset button which will set the card to the default settings ?
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Haha, sorry my post is probably confusing, yes i know you can reset voltage and that's what i've done already, what i'm asking is whether everyone else's slider allows them to go up to 1.213v as the maximum is supposed to be 1.087v.

Anyway back to Mafia for a bit - awesome game so far imo!
 
p0rks0da said:
Haha, sorry my post is probably confusing, yes i know you can reset voltage and that's what i've done already, what i'm asking is whether everyone else's slider allows them to go up to 1.213v as the maximum is supposed to be 1.087v.

Anyway back to Mafia for a bit - awesome game so far imo!
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Yes they all go up to 1.213v.. I,m running 1v at 850/1700/2000...
 
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