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MSI have been using the 'miltary grade' components for a long time, and even if the reference design does, that doesnt mean that any other brands that are not sticking to the reference design are definately going to.
Tell me then, why do the MSI cards overclock much higher than the others? As with Asus + Gigabytes?
Why is the Palit getting measly overclocks of around 800 Mhz with higher temperatures than the MSI at 890 Mhz?
There is a difference in quality between the brands, you would know this if you've tried using lots of graphics cards. Some brands make worse than reference design cards, with the GTX 460, Palit and Zotac definately seem to be two brands doing just that, and Gainward also use the same PCBs that Palit do. None of them are actually following the reference design, hence there is no gaurantee that they are even using the same build quality, as is the case with the Palit Sonic (non platinum at least), which is far worse with higher temps than even the actual reference design is!
Also, I never said that MSI make the components, they do however make sure to obtain good quality ones, and in this case have the best built GTX 460 available, in terms of how well they OC out of the box. I stated that the MSI / Gigabyte / Asus and even the reference design seem to be using the same high quality parts, at least based on their impressive out of the box overclocks.
Even with the HD 5000 range, the MSI HAWK / Lightning series of cards are of far higher quality than other versions, able to run at higher clocks at lower voltages. Why is this if they arent using higher quality components?
Your 800 Mhz overclock with 80 degrees is nothing impressive for a GTX 460, just about every other brand is managing better than that. I definately wouldnt have been happy with that card, maybe unless I planned on water cooling it.
My MSIs hit 875 Mhz out of the box in SLI (even without VRM cooling) with no aditional tweaking or modding required. The Asus + Gigabyte also manage around that much, whereas The Palit Sonics dont. Its quite as simple as that really.
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Guru review on the MSI GTX 460 Cyclone, they managed an 885 Mhz out of the box, but just using a single card:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-460-cyclone-oc-1024-review/19
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-460-cyclone-oc-1024-review/19
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gigabyte 460GTX 1GB here running 850/1700/2000 OCCT stable @ 1.050v
kfa2 OC LTD, MSI Cyc wouldnt get over 840 without more than 1.050.
im currently in the middle of a rather frustrating hdd and cable shuffle at the moment but ill try to get some pics up tonight.
My hard drive backup is still restoring atm to my new drive :x
Its been going for around 36 hours now, both the backup and restoration of 800 Gb. I really should have just deleted and reinstalled all my games instead oops.
good thing its very stable, though I obviously dont want to try running benchmarks until it finishes.
It can be really hit or miss based on how good the GPU you get is. I wouldnt worry about setting them to 1.087v and finding their max clock. Mine dont get too hot, and all that an SLI setup with these cards needs to kept cool is a side fan.
Its been going for around 36 hours now, both the backup and restoration of 800 Gb. I really should have just deleted and reinstalled all my games instead oops.
good thing its very stable, though I obviously dont want to try running benchmarks until it finishes.
It can be really hit or miss based on how good the GPU you get is. I wouldnt worry about setting them to 1.087v and finding their max clock. Mine dont get too hot, and all that an SLI setup with these cards needs to kept cool is a side fan.
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Only some of the MSI stuff uses higher quality components.
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=8874
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=8874
Yea, the ones that are advertised as such.
So far i,m not overly immpressed with the 460.. Its not really the big performance hike i was expecting. It also runs hotter than my oven and buzzes like crazy....
Just downloading Mafia see how it handles that as the Demo was a bit crappy on my 4850....
Just downloading Mafia see how it handles that as the Demo was a bit crappy on my 4850....
What temps are you getting? If you think it runs hot compared to a 4850 you more than likely have a dud card.
I had a 4850 and the GTX460 is a HUGE performance jump in everything. If you are not seeing much difference then i think you either have some kind of driver problem (ATI driver components left behind?) or a very large bottleneck somewhere. What is the rest of your system spec?
Why did you buy the Palit?
I'm beyond happy with my Gigabyte
Because it has native HDMi and VGA and was a bit cheaper..
Will have a proper play later tonight...Its deffinately quicker than the 4850 just not as massive as i thought it would be.
Dont think its a bottleneck. I,m running a 955 @ 4ghz so more than enough juice to feed a 460....
Told you not to get the Palit
So where are the 'Military Class components' on the Palit then?
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well you cannot say that we havent been recommending asus, msi and gigabyte...
the buzz is either fan noise or cap squeel. those 3 cards eliminate both of these issues complete.y
as for performance i went from an 8800GT and the overall increase isnt huge as a percentage. definately not the % that it cost me to change...
the buzz is either fan noise or cap squeel. those 3 cards eliminate both of these issues complete.y
as for performance i went from an 8800GT and the overall increase isnt huge as a percentage. definately not the % that it cost me to change...
Told you not to get the Palit
Not sure its the palit tbh... the card seems ok just my expectations were maybe too high..
Just overclocked it too 880/1760/4200 max temp is around 70.c is that ok ? It seems to run no problems.. Like i say i will have a better play tonight when i get more time..
I bought the Gigabyte 1gig version a week or so ago and it's running great; very quiet and cool.
I've bumped it up to 800mhz (from the stock 715mhz) as most have said they'll do that with no problem or voltage tweaks and it's running great with an idle temp of about 31.
Anyone got any quick tips on the best way to approach overclocking this further? Is it best to try and up the core speed first and get that as far as it will go and stable? Then lower and try the same with the ram before upping them both back up?
As for the voltages, when's the time to notch that up slowly? When there's any signs of artifacts/crashes etc?
Cheers for any help, pretty new to all this OC business.
I've bumped it up to 800mhz (from the stock 715mhz) as most have said they'll do that with no problem or voltage tweaks and it's running great with an idle temp of about 31.
Anyone got any quick tips on the best way to approach overclocking this further? Is it best to try and up the core speed first and get that as far as it will go and stable? Then lower and try the same with the ram before upping them both back up?
As for the voltages, when's the time to notch that up slowly? When there's any signs of artifacts/crashes etc?
Cheers for any help, pretty new to all this OC business.
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well put it another way i sold my 8800GT for £50 but the GTX 460 doesnt offer me nearly 4 times that performance:/
maybe an extra 50-70% at best sometimes less.
yea any temp below 90 is okay really
maybe an extra 50-70% at best sometimes less.
yea any temp below 90 is okay really
For a really crappy heatsink on the palit it seems to work quite well it just feels ruddy hot too touch.....
I,m more immpressed my 400w OCZ Psu is powering everything ok. Best thing i have ever bought...
I bought the Gigabyte 1gig version a week or so ago and it's running great; very quiet and cool.
I've bumped it up to 800mhz (from the stock 715mhz) as most have said they'll do that with no problem or voltage tweaks and it's running great with an idle temp of about 31.
Anyone got any quick tips on the best way to approach overclocking this further? Is it best to try and up the core speed first and get that as far as it will go and stable? Then lower and try the same with the ram before upping them both back up?
As for the voltages, when's the time to notch that up slowly? When there's any signs of artifacts/crashes etc?
Cheers for any help, pretty new to all this OC business.
Get MSI afterburner 1.6.1, go into settings and unlock the voltage tweak option, and then increase the voltage slider.
You need to increase the voltage to get to 850 Mhz and beyond, aroun 1.050 - 1.087 (which is the max allowed). The stock voltage is 0.975, but the Asus / MSI / Gigabyte can easily handle more.
Gotta try furmarking it to test for stability and temps
. The other guy with the palit is getting 80 degrees at 800 Mhz.
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stock voltage can vary from 0.975 to 1.025
ive owned every variant of vcore i think there is of GTX 460's and can confirm that they do not all come so low.