Okay The Real Question in here!

[GJ02]

This is the 2nd thread this week were an op has ranted about ati drivers, but in the same thread said that they have no issues what so ever with a different set of drivers.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

 

[rolypolyman]

This is the 2nd thread this week were an op has ranted about ati drivers, but in the same thread said that they have no issues what so ever with a different set of drivers.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Agree, still on 10.4 myself and will stay on them for as long as possible. However its in our nature to tinker, we cant help it, therein lies the problem and causes of most of these issues.

 

[drunkenmaster]

This is the 2nd thread this week were an op has ranted about ati drivers, but in the same thread said that they have no issues what so ever with a different set of drivers.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I don't know how many times I've said this, for Nvidia and AMD users, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

"fixes" in drivers and performance improvements for 99% of cases are outlying results that get large performance bumps that frankly 99.99999999999% of users don't have in the first place.

IE, its very rare Nvidia/AMD give a substantial or worthwhile performance improvement in drivers for the massive majority of users.If you actually have problems in games thats one thing, but if everythings working in a game and its running great, then a "fix" likely isn't for you in the first place.

AS for installing drivers, personally I would say its something to do with the system, I've had no issues at all with installing drivers, single card or xfire.

I'd personally back off the system a little, drop the cpu overclock/memory speed slightly, slacken the timings slightly or up the voltages marginally.

Things like unpacking rar's, or compressed installation files is very often the very first place slight memory instability can show up.

Really have no idea what else it could be.

 

[GJ02]

is it a commonly known issue for xfire users ( unsure about single gpu ) that afterburner and ccc running at the same time can cause very slight stuttering in games and benchmarks ? very noticable and very annoying when you doint know whats causing it.

 

[cainer]

5870's on 10.4b here, fast BFbc2 loading and v/nice CF scaling and no problems to report

 

[RavenXXX2]

So ATI's monthly driver release is pointless, is that the consensus? if that's the case and people are willing to stay on older drivers because newer ones either introduce problems or offer no real change to previous sets, then would it not be best for ATI to do as Nvidia do and release a set when it is required.

is it a commonly known issue for xfire users ( unsure about single gpu ) that afterburner and ccc running at the same time can cause very slight stuttering in games and benchmarks ? very noticable and very annoying when you doint know whats causing it.

I never had this issue, it's more if you have the OSD as well as a lot things being monitored with a quick polling rate, reducing the polling rate to 4000 and the number of things you're monitoring alleviates any stuttering in my experience. Then again I have never used xfire, so I'm speaking for single GPU users.

 

[Final8y]

So ATI's monthly driver release is pointless, is that the consensus? if that's the case and people are willing to stay on older drivers because newer ones either introduce problems or offer no real change to previous sets, then would it not be best for ATI to do as Nvidia do and release a set when it is required.




I never had this issue, it's more if you have the OSD as well as a lot things being monitored with a quick polling rate, reducing the polling rate to 4000 and the number of things you're monitoring alleviates any stuttering in my experience. Then again I have never used xfire, so I'm speaking for single GPU users.

No its for people who are having problems to use newer drivers to fix them & for others to use the new features that they may have.
And again NV has had the same problems with breaking stuff in there drivers as well no matter when its released.

Its simple to understand but that went right over your head.

 

[Stanners]

No its for people who are having problems to use newer drivers to fix them & for others to use the new features that they may have.
And again NV has had the same problems with breaking stuff in there drivers as well no matter when its released.

Its simple to understand but that went right over your head.

Where is the last thread in here of Nvidia breaking things in the latest driver release ?

It is so laughable how defensive ATI Zealots are.

 

[RavenXXX2]

That's the thing, with a monthly cycle you're under pressure to get them drivers out to meet the end of month deadline, in contrast nvida are under no pressure to meet monthly deadlines and are free to get a good set out with plenty of testing before release. More is not necessarily better.

 

[Final8y]

Where is the last thread in here of Nvidia breaking things in the latest driver release ?

It is so laughable how defensive ATI Zealots are.

Its laughable that your saying that NV has never broken things in there drivers, that's a defence stance right there.

The card killer that stopped the fan spinning up.
There was a load that people had to keep going back to a specific driver because newer ones where giving problem i even see Rroff going back to a set time & time again.
Also the 6 months of really bad vista drivers.

The problem is that just because NV has no major issues atm does not mean that they never had or never will have again.
And you cant seem to make a counter comment without name calling maybe you should go to the kiddy's section.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showforum=207
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18168758&highlight=Nvidia+Driver
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18165789&highlight=Nvidia+Driver last post.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18158776&highlight=Nvidia+Driver
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18155231&highlight=Nvidia+Driver
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18146343&highlight=Nvidia+Driver
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18141070&highlight=Nvidia+Driver
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18135443&highlight=Nvidia+Driver
None of that exists.
And there plenty more non existing threads.
Some people see improvements & others get problems.

 

[Final8y]

That's the thing, with a monthly cycle you're under pressure to get them drivers out to meet the end of month deadline, in contrast nvida are under no pressure to meet monthly deadlines and are free to get a good set out with plenty of testing before release. More is not necessarily better.

But the point is history shows that even with more time on there hands NV has made some real bad ones in spite of what you say.

 

[Jokester]

Its laughable that your saying that NV has never broken things in there drivers, that's a defence stance right there.

The problem is, Nvidia had far more GPUs installed than ATI back then, plus they also had chipset drivers (let's not go there!).

And don't search for ATI driver problems, you'll crash the forum server.

 

[Final8y]

The problem is, Nvidia had far more GPUs installed than ATI back then, plus they also had chipset drivers (let's not go there!).

And don't search for ATI driver problems, you'll crash the forum server.

That's not the point the point is that NV do have problems but some NV users carry on that there aren't any every time they post in an ATI thread no matter what point in time.

And what you have posted applies to ATI atm with them being very popular,

 

[EnderXi]

I know I am on 10.4 and as someone mentioned we are all wanting to be at the bleeding edge or we wouldnt be using these forums and buying the hardware that we do or tweaking it like we do to get the most performance, I am just expressing my disappointment with the poor quality of drivers, from what it seems following reading the nvidia issues in the above posts it doesnt seem limited to just ATI so i am going to stick with 10.4 and await the 10.9 release see if they are worth the test!

I would be nice just to have a decent release though!

 

[kmufc77]

NV do have or have had problems with drivers, its just obvious at this present time ATI have several issues with their drivers,i dont get why some ATI users try to defend them no matter what?

The reason why people are reporting more ATI driver issues than NV at the moment is ATI probably have sold a lot more cards in the last 2 years than NV.

 

[Stanners]

I am talking about recent months and what i see on these forums. I will use the 30th of april as the datum point as that is how far you have gone back with your links

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18179757
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18180300
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sh...ckers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18177521&page=13
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18179343

Also take your pick of quite a few of the sub forums that are littered with problems

http://forums.amd.com/game/index.cfm?nocookies=yes


See the picture, i only went as far back as the 26th of August. We can all drag up problems but as your list shows there seems to be fewer Nvidia ones in general(Ok they did have the major one that wrecked a fews GPU's )

I will reserve judgement on why Roff kept going back to a certain driver release, although i believe it was a performance issue in a certian set not an actual bug ??

Now there maybe a few more people with ATI cards which would lead to problems been highlighted more. Maybe ATI users are not as technical savy as others (Yes i have seen that given as a reason on these very forums as to why ATI drivers may get more problems than others, you know the old reason of user error!), who knows. I do not really care, it is what i have seen on these forums. I have no preference to either company.

Now you i see i personally never had that much trouble with 5850, well none at all if i am honest, it is just what i read on here what i base my view on.

 

[Jokester]

And what you have posted applies to ATI atm with them being very popular,

Yes Nvidia have problems, but it pales into insignificance at the moment compared to ATI, even allowing for more ATI users on the forum.

 

[Final8y]

I am talking about recent months and what i see on these forums. I will use the 30th of april as the datum point as that is how far you have gone back with your links

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18179757
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18180300
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sh...ckers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18177521&page=13
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18179343

Also take your pick of quite a few of the sub forums that are littered with problems

http://forums.amd.com/game/index.cfm?nocookies=yes



See the picture, i only went as far back as the 26th of August. We can all drag up problems but as your list shows there seems to be fewer Nvidia ones in general(Ok they did have the major one that wrecked a fews GPU's )

I will reserve judgement on why Roff kept going back to a certain driver release, although i believe it was a performance issue in a certian set not an actual bug ??

Now there maybe a few more people with ATI cards which would lead to problems been highlighted more. Maybe ATI users are not as technical savy as others (Yes i have seen that given as a reason on these very forums as to why ATI drivers may get more problems than others, you know the old reason of user error!), who knows. I do not really care, it is what i have seen on these forums. I have no preference to either company.

Now you i see i personally never had that much trouble with 5850, well none at all if i am honest, it is just what i read on here what i base my view on.

April is not that long ago & If one brand has issues recently & the other has not then lets make fun of it just because we can & to what purpose would that serve.

So what happens when its NVs turn again with a run of bad drivers, you want the ATI users to steam in.
Its nothing but childishness.

 

[Final8y]

Yes Nvidia have problems, but it pales into insignificance at the moment compared to ATI, even allowing for more ATI users on the forum.

Indeed it does but at least your not in denial that NV have issues like many NV some like to portray.

Instead of

ATI have more issues than NV

We get

NV drivers just work

NV drivers don't have issues

Which 95% of stupid driver debates come from.

Just use the drivers that work for you.

 

[Stanners]

April is not that long ago & If one brand has issues recently & the other has not then lets make fun of it just because we can & to what purpose would that serve.

So what happens when its NVs turn again with a run of bad drivers, you want the ATI users to steam in.
Its nothing but childlessness.

You are something. I am saying ATI have driver problems at the minute nothing more, nothing less. If Nvidia get driver problems in the future then i would say the same as i am saying about ATI. It just seems you defend them with all your honour.

I give up i am out of this one.

p.s what does childlessness mean ? childish maybe