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Bulldozer v Sandy Bridge

Yeah i will wait for something official figures wise before being completely sold but unlike many i don't actually mind if it is say 5-15% behind the best intel is offering at the time because outside of specialist programs nothing is going to use all that power anyway. Right now it is way way too early to either be hyping one up or writing one off just far too much we don't know about both cpu's interesting times ahead for us all methinks.
 
RizlaKing said:
Yeah i will wait for something official figures wise before being completely sold but unlike many i don't actually mind if it is say 5-15% behind the best intel is offering at the time because outside of specialist programs nothing is going to use all that power anyway. Right now it is way way too early to either be hyping one up or writing one off just far too much we don't know about both cpu's interesting times ahead for us all methinks.
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also forgot that AMD currently control the 'price' high-ground as well, their CPUs aren't quite as good as intels offerings, they aren't far behind either mind but they can work out a fair bit cheaper, so your paying a premium for an extra maybe 5% real-world performance. Bulldozer might be priced very competatively as well, so whose honestly gonna miss that extra bit of performance for that extra cash? personally im all about bang for bucks to be honest, which product gives me the best performance for the price. :)
 
Gashman said:
do you care to mention how exactly you know that Bulldozer will only see 'small improvements' over Sandy Bridge, also worth noting that Bulldozer is supposed to be able to run one thread over two actual cores (correct me if im remembering the wrong thing). i mean if that works you'll be looking at a fairly hefty improvement over Sandy Bridge in applications which don't use many threads. im not making my mind up personally until i see some official numbers from Bulldozer, since all the rumour and speculation are pointless without some numbers. ;)
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It isn't capable of running 1 thread on 2 cores. Each module still consists of 2 separate cores that have to work on separate threads but a lot of the resources between the two cores will be shared to reduce die area to increase the number of cores that can be squeezed onto a die.
 
here the info about new AMD and look at one line "incompatible with AM3 and AM2+" so I wont buy and upgrade cos it too much money -- I keep my X6 1090T for wee longer - the new DDR4 due in 2014-2015 so next new AMD socket AM4 may come out with newest CPU, motherboard,etc.. I save it up for few years time.

Bulldozer
"Orochi" (32nm, 8-core)

* 4 AMD Bulldozer modules
* Support new ISA: XOP, FMA4, SSSE3, SSE4.1, AVX, AES, CLMUL
* L2 cache shared per module
* L3 cache shared by all modules on a single die
* Support fusion of CMP and JMP instructions
* Advanced Quad-Channel Memory Sub-System
* Higher memory level parallelism
* DDR3
* AM3+ socket [Incompatible with AM3 and AM2+]
* Tentative release date Q2/2011

"Interlagos" (32nm, 16-core)

* 8 AMD Bulldozer modules (two dies as MCM)
* HyperTransport 3.1
* Quad Channel DDR3
* Socket G34

and other one: http://translate.google.de/translat....cgi?id=1282840508&sl=de&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8
 
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Yeah, thats what I've decided to do too braveheart.
Not worth upgrading just for an extra two cores when most software these days hardly touches on anything more than 2!!

Will await the next 'refresh'' before I upgrade
 
I read some news that AMD changed it mind that the new Bulldozer CPU will be using new Socket AM4 instead of AM3+ so it wont work with AM3 as backward as it may using new pins number (AM3 is 938 and CPU is 941) as AM4 pins still unknown until it release - still using DDR3 as next 2 years it will be new DDR4...
 
I'm slightly concerned at this;

Compared to CMP (chip multiprocessing – which is, in simplistic terms building a multicore chip with each core having its own dedicated resources) two integer cores in a Bulldozer module would deliver roughly 80% of the throughput.
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From Bulldozer questions part 2; makes me wonder if straightline single core speed is being comprimised for lots of cores and power efficiency, games tend to love the former thus far...
 
Intel 'to revolutionise PC industry' with new chipset

The world's biggest chip maker, Intel, has unveiled the chipset it is banking its immediate future on and one it hopes will shake up the market.

The product, code-named Sandy Bridge, is Intel's first architecture to merge a microprocessor and graphics processor onto a single silicon chip.

It is designed to cut the time it takes to produce images.
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The company is betting the new technology will win over both PC vendors and consumers.

It recently cut sales forecasts because of weaker than expected PC demand.

"Sandy Bridge will revolutionise PCs again," Paul Otellini, Intel's chief executive told its annual developer forum being held in San Francisco.

"On one single chip, we've put in place all the critical capabilities for computing. This is a very important chip for Intel," he added.

The chip will target low-end desktop computers and laptops and is expected to be ready to go to customers early next year.

Putting the two processors together will cut the time it takes to produce images as it removes bottlenecks between the graphics processor and memory.

It will also improve battery life and power consumption.

"This is a big deal and we are all interested to see how the chip performs when it gets out into the real world next year," Martin Reynolds, managing vice president of research firm Gartner told BBC News.

"I don't however think it will revolutionise the industry but it does force that continued change that is part of the history of the PC industry. Intel has to keep new technologies coming to the market that keeps its growing so it is a big bet for the next couple of years."

'Killer'

Sandy Bridge is expected to cause headaches for Intel rival Nvidia, the maker of stand-alone graphics chips.

Technology blog VentureBeat has called Sandy Bridge an "Nvidia killer".

Nvidia said it is not worried about Intel's move and in a statement underlined that sentiment.

"Intel's been proclaiming the death of discrete graphics for years, but real GPUs (graphics processing units) just keep getting more important."

Advanced Micro Devices is also expected to feel the heat from Sandy Bridge. It has been working on its own hybrid chip for a while, but many analysts feel it has lost ground by not staying ahead of Intel

Notebooks and desktops with AMD's accelerated processing unit are expected in early 2011.

"It's hard to tell what will shake down because we haven't seen the performance benchmarks or specs from Sandy Bridge or from AMD's Fusion," said Jim McGregor of research firm In-Stat.

"If that migrates all the way up to mainstream computing, it just leaves that high end which is a very small percentage of the market, then you have to say this is a huge concern for Nvidia."

Security

The company failed to provide substantial details on the technical thinking behind its $7.68bn acquisition of McAfee as it awaits approval.

The deal, the biggest in the company's 42-year history, surprised many in the industry when it was announced.

At the time the company said that the acquisition reflected that security was now a fundamental component of online computing.
Intel Developers Forum Security is crucial as the number of internet connected devices grow

That view was echoed in Mr Otellini's keynote speech as he told thousands of developers it marked an opportunity to "offer secure capabilities across all Intel connected products".

Intel added that its security approach did not fully address the billions of new internet-ready devices, including mobile and wireless devices, TVs, cars, medical devices and cash machines.

"The amount we trust our devices to protect us is going up all the time and the bad guy threats are going up at the same time. Security is becoming a more complex topic with the proliferation of devices. We are trying to change how platforms are secured," said Mr Otellini.

Both companies have been collaborating for the last 18-24 months on products and the first chips incorporating new security software are expected to appear next year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11280200
 
So am i right in saying Bulldozer will use quad channel memory instead of dual or triple?

If thats the case will we need to use four ram sticks as a minimum?
 
Superewza said:
Sandy bridge is intel's next architecture replacing westmere/nehalem/lynnfield/clarksfield etc etc, for those who don't know intel have a 'tik tok' system when it comes to architecture, what this means is:

a tik is a NEW architecture
a tok is a die shrink and mod of current architecture, eg.

core 2 q6600 is 65nm this was a tik
core 2 q9550 is 45nm this was a tok
core i7 920 is 45nm this was a tik
core i7 980x is 32nm this was a tok

The next 'tik' is the new architecture sandy bridge based on 32nm and the tok of this was known as IVYbridge but is now known as Haswell which will be on the 22nm fab.
sandybridge will go into production 2nd half 2010 for a release Q4/Q1 2010/11.
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This first post should be corrected as the tick/tock is the wrong way around. The tock is the new microarchitecture and the tick is the die shrink.

Sandy Bridge is a "tock" — a new architecture based on the present 32nm production found in current Westmere chips. Ivy Bridge will be the 22nm shrink of Sandy Bridge.

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There's a good write up on Sandy Bridge over at Anandtech today if you guys are interested. After reading the article I’m now a bit more relaxed about the overclocking situation but it looks like Intel may have killed off the value seeking overclocker. If you want to overclock it looks like you will need to spend Core i5 money which is a blow for people who like to buy chips like the Core i3’s and clock the hell out of them.

I'm still put off buy the fact there won’t be any PCI-E 3.0 or integrated USB 3 controllers I think I will hold off upgrading until both of those technologies are standard.
 
It will be an interesting year, yes....but I think it will be awhile before anything seriously contends with an i7 rig which is why I'm building one right now :)
 
Oh yeah upgrade hear I come :)

Hopefully the DDr3 price will also ave gone down again when I have to buy it.
 
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