Who's buying R.U.S.E.?
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If there is a way to counter the following which doesn't involve mirroring it then I probably will make a purchase:
In the MP beta the French (probably a couple of other factions but others would have to build two units instead) had a single tank that was both good AA and good AT. So as early as possible you start spamming these things. Instantly all air becomes pointless, you have so many that the insane wall of AA takes down waves of bombers / fighter bombers the instant they come in range. Artillery does no damage to armour so building that and watching it crater the ground next to the pristine tanks you aren't even scratching is soul destroying. So the only option you're left with is to make your own uber ball of tanks (the mirroring thing), wait for one person to get bored and attack...
The ruses in general just seemed like an epic gimmick and didn't really serve any purpose, the game would be much better without them and FoW in their place, which is all they really served to do was create some kind of FoW-by-proxy.
In the MP beta the French (probably a couple of other factions but others would have to build two units instead) had a single tank that was both good AA and good AT. So as early as possible you start spamming these things. Instantly all air becomes pointless, you have so many that the insane wall of AA takes down waves of bombers / fighter bombers the instant they come in range. Artillery does no damage to armour so building that and watching it crater the ground next to the pristine tanks you aren't even scratching is soul destroying. So the only option you're left with is to make your own uber ball of tanks (the mirroring thing), wait for one person to get bored and attack...
The ruses in general just seemed like an epic gimmick and didn't really serve any purpose, the game would be much better without them and FoW in their place, which is all they really served to do was create some kind of FoW-by-proxy.
Me too...
But Ubi**** DRM = FAIL
I dont mind DRM but theirs is a step too far.... a shame, as it seemed a good game.
Indeed, there was a big post about it a week or so ago, they announced that Ruse (and possible future PC releases) will be steamworks
Indeed, there was a big post about it a week or so ago, they announced that Ruse (and possible future PC releases) will be steamworks
WOW
So a possible u-turn on the DRM?
Indeed, there was a big post about it a week or so ago, they announced that Ruse (and possible future PC releases) will be steamworks
just because it's a steam works game doesn't mean it can't have extra DRm
just because it's a steam works game doesn't mean it can't have extra DRm
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=4821071447&m=7471048678&r=7471048678#7471048678
ALTHOUGH - This game was initially built with Steamworks in mind anyway so maybe it is not a u-turn, just a single game which would have cost too much to force their own DRM upon having allready built a large chunk of it around the Steamworks api.
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Even without DRM I think thats a bit of an unfair comparison. SH5 has a much more niche audience.
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I do find it fantastic that people just ignore the fact Steamworks is a form of DRM, and with their surveys and things is harvesting TONNES of data that other forms of DRM don't attempt to do and Steam uses a fair chunk of memory, has to be running, is a pain in the ass slows down game loading up dramatically(any other game I either have a shortcut on desktop or go to gamesbrowser, whatever, instantly into a game, if its a steam game, I get another 30 seconds of steam connecting and loading and doing this and that.
But because people seem to love steam DRM is fine. Ass creed 2 took very little time, its been a while, can't remember if you had to log in or not, Starcraft 2 needed logging in which is a bit of a pain.
Personally I dislike the idea of ever being forced to open something else, to open what I want.
Steam is prettied up DRM that people have fallen for, even the people that are ridiculously over zealous about DRM and constantly talk about how it effects the legit users. When Steam does it, its ok though. I got Mafia 2 through the post 2 days early, because of Steam's DRM, I couldn't play it till it was "unlocked" on steam.
As for Ruse, its pretty freaking awesome, because they've pulled it off, releasing an almost completely terrible RTS and having people believe it might be new, fantastic and original, thats one heck of a Ruse. From day one I thought the "RUSE" element was nothing but a gimmick, I'm sure there will be a single player campaign that might be marginally interesting because the missions will be scripted with the AI falling for your RUSE's but to do so the RUSE will likely be mission goals, like build a fleet of bombers and distract the enemies in the east then send your other force in, whatever you like, from the west, woooo.
Even that first video/advert for the game, where they send in a few ships IIRC, which get battered, then they send in a huge wave of planes and bomb the area....... what part of that is a RUSE exactly? In any other RTS a defensive mission would be, build up various defences, the ships come in, use what you've built to kill them, the planes come in, send in your AA, over. The idea being if you see them build all ships you might only build ship defences, but, thats where it fails, you just build for all eventualities and game over.
If as said from the beta they've made "all around" units, then the game is already a massive fail. If you can build one unit that covers all eventualities, theres no question what to build. The only way it would even come close to working is if you need very specific units to counter specific units, build the wrong one and you're done. If you can build one, that beats everything, its an epic epic failure.
But because people seem to love steam DRM is fine. Ass creed 2 took very little time, its been a while, can't remember if you had to log in or not, Starcraft 2 needed logging in which is a bit of a pain.
Personally I dislike the idea of ever being forced to open something else, to open what I want.
Steam is prettied up DRM that people have fallen for, even the people that are ridiculously over zealous about DRM and constantly talk about how it effects the legit users. When Steam does it, its ok though. I got Mafia 2 through the post 2 days early, because of Steam's DRM, I couldn't play it till it was "unlocked" on steam.
As for Ruse, its pretty freaking awesome, because they've pulled it off, releasing an almost completely terrible RTS and having people believe it might be new, fantastic and original, thats one heck of a Ruse. From day one I thought the "RUSE" element was nothing but a gimmick, I'm sure there will be a single player campaign that might be marginally interesting because the missions will be scripted with the AI falling for your RUSE's but to do so the RUSE will likely be mission goals, like build a fleet of bombers and distract the enemies in the east then send your other force in, whatever you like, from the west, woooo.
Even that first video/advert for the game, where they send in a few ships IIRC, which get battered, then they send in a huge wave of planes and bomb the area....... what part of that is a RUSE exactly? In any other RTS a defensive mission would be, build up various defences, the ships come in, use what you've built to kill them, the planes come in, send in your AA, over. The idea being if you see them build all ships you might only build ship defences, but, thats where it fails, you just build for all eventualities and game over.
If as said from the beta they've made "all around" units, then the game is already a massive fail. If you can build one unit that covers all eventualities, theres no question what to build. The only way it would even come close to working is if you need very specific units to counter specific units, build the wrong one and you're done. If you can build one, that beats everything, its an epic epic failure.
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i think the point is, that steam is better than ubisofts drm
dont think anyways said it wasn't a form of DRM, just better than using ubis, that require u to have a permanant net connection, and if there server goes down (which has happened a few times) then u can no longer play or access your save games.
when settlers 7 first come out, most ppl couldn't play it, coz they couldn't access ubisofts servers to play as they kept going down
woah strong feelings, my impressions are from the demo, I can see a lot of variety and skill that can be used within that, however yes it could be a mess, but who knows until several people are playing against each other, the RUSES seem a gimmick to me, but if someone deployed a terror effect against my troops whilst deploying a fight to the death on their own I can see how they can turn the tide of battle
i suggest you quit pc gaming and sell your pc as every single game forces you to "open" windows before you run it. btw the steam survey is optional as it asks you before it collects your data.
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