Job Offer Withdrawn

FatBoyObese · 1 Sep 2010 at 02:22

Hostile17 said:
Well it was my last day at work today and I had no chance of getting my old job back but the new one phoned up and said head office had reconsidered and realized they were in the wrong so they offered me the original full time contract. Alls well that ends well but I'll certainly not make the same mistake again of not getting a contract signed before handing in my notice. Thanks to all those who offered advice .

Glad it's all worked out for you

Participant · 1 Sep 2010 at 11:16

Hostile17 said:
I think you need to notify the other person that you will be recording them IIRC.

This is correct, you can't record a conversation without the other party's permission.

big_white_dog84 · 1 Sep 2010 at 11:33

Ignore

Greebo · 1 Sep 2010 at 11:47

Congrats to the OP and glad it's all sorted now.

On another note, can somebody answer me this please. Say he did have a signed contract or written confirmation of his job. What stops the company changing their mind and just paying him their notice pay as for the first few months you are generally on probation and you can't go to tribunal until a year is served unless it's sex/race discrimination?

Just curious that's all.

Ring Peace · 1 Sep 2010 at 11:52

Robbie G said:
This is correct, you can't record a conversation without the other party's permission.

Unless you are a lawyer then don't answer with such authority, especially when you are wrong. You can record conversations for your own use, but not for use by a third party, you do not have to tell them you are recording the conversation. How you can use this evidence in court I do not know, go ask a lawyer.

div0 · 1 Sep 2010 at 11:52

Robbie G said:
This is correct, you can't record a conversation without the other party's permission.

Yes you can. It's just not as likely to be admissible as evidence in court if you don't notify them.

Can I record telephone conversations on my home phone?

Yes. The relevant law, RIPA, does not prohibit individuals from recording their own communications provided that the recording is for their own use. Recording or monitoring are only prohibited where some of the contents of the communication - which can be a phone conversation or an e-mail - are made available to a third party, ie someone who was neither the caller or sender nor the intended recipient of the original communication. For further information see the Home Office website where RIPA is posted.

Do I have to let people know that I intend to record their telephone conversations with me?

No, provided you are not intending to make the contents of the communication available to a third party. If you are you will need the consent of the person you are recording.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/oftel/consumer/advice/faqs/prvfaq3.htm

Participant · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:11

Ring Peace said:
Unless you are a lawyer then don't answer with such authority, especially when you are wrong.

What authority did I answer with? This is the internet.

div0 · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:19

Ring Peace said:
use this evidence in court I do not know, go ask a lawyer.

Is about the best advice you can give. In general, if you have given notice, then it should be admissible as evidence. But even if you don't give notice, then I believe that there is still a chance it could be used as evidence, depending on the situation.

But I'm not a lawyer either.

div0 · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:22

Robbie G said:
What authority did I answer with? This is the internet.

Saying something as blunt as 'This is correct' comes across as answering with 'authority'.

Just because 'it's the internet' doesn't mean that you can state things as 'fact' and then not expect to be pulled up by someone else if your statement turns out to be wrong.

Participant · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:24

div0 said:
Saying something as blunt as 'This is correct' comes across as answering with 'authority'.

Just because 'it's the internet' doesn't mean that you can state things as 'fact' and then not expect to be pulled up by someone else if your statement turns out to be wrong.

That is entirely not my problem. I never stated anything as fact. Anyone that believes legal advice from the internet deserves all that's coming. I'm not the first guy to have misremembered a law and posted it on the internet.

I fully expect to be pulled up on things where I am wrong, I'm not sure why you believe otherwise. I don't however, expect anyone with half a brain to take everything I say as gospel.

AMG · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:29

unlucky

I wouldn't hand in my notice till I got everything sorted, Ie signed the contract and got it in writting etc

apatia77 · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:31

That reminds me of me being offered a job and I was just going to hand my notice when the agency told me not to do it and wait for the contract to arrive, 2 weeks later no contract and some weak excuses from my new to be employer.

You just can't trust anyone nowadays.

.Lethal · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:34

Very lucky outcome. Glad it got sorted! Lesson learnt.

Ring Peace · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:36

Robbie G said:
That is entirely not my problem. I never stated anything as fact. Anyone that believes legal advice from the internet deserves all that's coming. I'm not the first guy to have misremembered a law and posted it on the internet.

I fully expect to be pulled up on things where I am wrong, I'm not sure why you believe otherwise. I don't however, expect anyone with half a brain to take everything I say as gospel.

Unfortunately I assume everyone has a full command of the english language until proven otherwise.

This is correct

Is a statement of fact not opinion, or are you one of these people that believe everything personally written is always opinion and never a satement of fact, in which case you are wrong (is that a fact or opinion?).

vectisitch · 1 Sep 2010 at 12:59

great outcome for the op.congrats

ps3ud0 · 1 Sep 2010 at 13:44

Robbie G said:
That is entirely not my problem. I never stated anything as fact. Anyone that believes legal advice from the internet deserves all that's coming. I'm not the first guy to have misremembered a law and posted it on the internet.

I fully expect to be pulled up on things where I am wrong, I'm not sure why you believe otherwise. I don't however, expect anyone with half a brain to take everything I say as gospel.

Then why even attempt to answer the question if you werent even sure of the answer? Your defence sounds very stupid...

ps3ud0 :cool:

Participant · 1 Sep 2010 at 13:52

Ring Peace said:
Unfortunately I assume everyone has a full command of the english language until proven otherwise.

What are you on about now?

What does 'command of the english language' have to do with legal accuracy? I think you're getting your phrases mixed up. A lack of command of the english (sic) language would involve spelling and grammar mistakes, and a general lack of sense. The lack of a grasp of legal facts is not the same thing.

Ring Peace said:
Is a statement of fact not opinion, or are you one of these people that believe everything personally written is always opinion and never a satement of fact, in which case you are wrong (is that a fact or opinion?).

Are you one of those people that requires 'imo' or 'afaik' after every post?

I have no legal authority on the internet, nor am I guaranteeing the factual correctness of anything I write. If you like, I can add this disclaimer to my signature so it's obvious for you.

Finally, I must congratulate you and ps3ud0 for never having made a false statement on the internet.

ps3ud0 said:
Then why even attempt to answer the question if you werent even sure of the answer? Your defence sounds very stupid...

I was sure of the answer, except I was wrong. You sound very stupid.

And why do you put :cool:

after everything you post? You probably believe that this automatically makes you cool

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Deadbeat · 1 Sep 2010 at 14:14

I've always assumed that everything posted on message boards across the net is subtly prefaced with 'imo' or 'afaik', or some other dumbass acronym that protrays the inherent stupidity of taking advice from such sources. If Robbie sounded authoritative, who cares? It's just his posting style, and I'm not going to pull up any of his recommendations as part of a defence case any time soon (no offence Robbie)(, no matter how right he thinks he is. I reckon the onus is on you, Ring, to effectively vet your advisory sources, and trust other people to do the same.

ps3ud0 · 1 Sep 2010 at 14:28

Robbie G said:
I was sure of the answer, except I was wrong. You sound very stupid.

Its ok you were wrong, but to say you arent culpable for what you type just seemed far fetched - just devalues anything you say, which as I said sounds a stupid thing to do...

Robbie G said:
And why do you put after everything you post? You probably believe that this automatically makes you cool .

Yep - also people seem to notice it - like youve just pointed out

ps3ud0

Participant · 1 Sep 2010 at 14:53

ps3ud0 said:
Its ok you were wrong, but to say you arent culpable for what you type just seemed far fetched - just devalues anything you say, which as I said sounds a stupid thing to do...

When did I say I wasn't culpable? I am culpable of course for typing trash. I am not however, culpable if someone like Ring Piece chooses to take my advice as gospel.