Koran burning in reaction to 9/11

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You can't prove that God doesn't exist, you can only believe that he doesn't. That is not a scientific position to take, nor is it a logical one if your framework is science.

You dont understand science, and that point proves it.

Science doesnt believe in anything without any evidence to support it.

Science NEVER needs any evidence to support that something doesnt exist.
 
So it is Allah's will that they burn these korans?

3:86 How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Apostle was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but Allah guides not a people unjust.

He is not going to Burn the Qur'an now is he?
 
You dont understand science, and that point proves it.

I think I understand science better than you do.

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Science doesnt believe in anything without any evidence to support it.

That's true in a manner of speaking, but science equally does not say that something categorically doesn't exist when that can't be shown. In fact, science can never say that something doesn't exist or can't happen as not everything at every point in space and time has been observed. At best, science can say that in every case observed thus far, things have happened a certain way, so it is highly probable that under the same circumstances, things will happen the same way in the future.

You can't really fit the question of whether or not God exists into that system.

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Science NEVER needs any evidence to support that something doesnt exist.

Faith based assertion that God doesn't exist.
 
I really dont see how I am an extremist. I love democracy and the freedom of all people to do as they want as long as it doesnt physically harm anyone else.

You hold an extreme view of Atheism, and what religions should and should not believe. Going by your posts, (I haven't met you so it's all I have to go on), you are indeed an extremist in a very real sense. You do not need to burn books or kill anyone to be an extremist.

You have a polarised and largely misinformed opinion on religions and refuse to consider any opinion other than one that supports your accusations regardless of their veracity. This too indicates an extreme viewpoint.



No, not really. It doesnt.

Yes, really it does. I don't need to reiterate what Vonhelmet has succinctly pointed out.

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Pakistan will become a better country it takes time

This (and things like this) annoy me and it takes a fair deal to annoy me, like scratching the leather in my car, or a scuff on my alloy wheel, or a mark on my tyre dressing etc.

But anyway, the reason that annoys me is because no, it's not because of the floods or anything like that that will make Pakistan better, the fact that it takes time is because it always takes time, regardless of what has happened. It's called evolution. Cultures evolve and mindsets change, a new generation takes over and the nations whole ethos changes along with it....but it takes time.

It's got nothing to do with any god of any religion and this is the reason why many things like this annoy me because people cite religion and/or a god for current affairs and how it's thanks to that god that 'in time' the affected nation will become better.

Probably suggests that in time anything will become better, genius work!
 
No you dont and dont pretend otherwise;)...lol at the claim im extremist lol lol...

You view opponents and critics as essentially evil, and definately resort to name calling and labelling. Vita on the otherhand thinks that natural disasters are caused by God (OMG lol, what a joke!), and has said some very negative things directed to ALL hindus.

Also, regardless of what you think about me, I would NEVER join any kind of fanatical mass movement to support my cause (actually, I dont even have a cause, just opinions).
 
Ever notice how Islamic countries cling desperately to Allah through every disaster that "Allah" has caused while they hold out the begging bowl to the damned infidels in the West?
Allah obviously decrees all these major "natural" disasters in mainly Islamic countries so you'd think the penny would have dropped by now. "Allah" doesn't like them!
Also, you'd think the **** poor response to the Pakistan floods would make the penny drop with the Pakistanis... no one likes you.
 
I'm really not trying to turn things around in a bad way, its a shame if thats what you think.

I'm actually trying to understand just how you can worship something that is capable of such acts.

I mean, it really makes no sense at all, if there is a god and he wanted to stop the corruption in certain countries, he could do one hell of a better job of it than wiping random people out.

You can believe in a god AND natural disasters cant you? They dont have to go hand in hand. Or, for a Muslim, do they go hand in hand?

That's how I feel from your posts, sorry to say.

I'll break it down for you in a simpler form.

It makes sense if you look at it this way. Allah has created everything that is between the heavens and earth. Down to everything, even an atom.

He has created Man, he has created Woman. He has created Man in a way for him to Sin. Every single person has Sinned, it is learning from these Sins/Mistakes, for man to not let them happen again. If Man was good, these things wouldn't happen. But as I have said before, Man commits Sin.

A lot of Muslims believe that Natural disasters are a way of God saying beware, don't sin, repent. Learn from your mistakes. Innocent people are not punished, they will not go to the fire of hell as far as I know. But God only knows the full sight of that.
 
I dont even have a cause.

strange...i always got the impression you were here to incite hatred against islam/muslims, just like hookman sat in his mosque who incites hatred against the west. doesn't carry out the actions himself but tries to incite enough hatred into others to carry out such acts.
 
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Faith based assertion that God doesn't exist.

religion: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality"

religion: an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him"

You dont even know what the word faith means. I have absolutely no faith that God doesnt exist, I know so from a complete lack of evidence, and Science can actually theoretically show with very strong evidence that it is impossible for such a thing as a 'God' to exist (any basic understanding of space, vacuum, energy, and molecular structure would easilly allow one to conclude this).

Also, nothing is Science supports the idea that 'Just because we dont know something, then God must have done it'.
 
But the floods came as a result of atmospheric conditions :confused:

Those conditions are a result of the will of Allah. Apparently.

I actually (being blunt, apologies) think its complete nonsense, I would never believe something like that.

Each to their own though.
 
This (and things like this) annoy me and it takes a fair deal to annoy me, like scratching the leather in my car, or a scuff on my alloy wheel, or a mark on my tyre dressing etc.

But anyway, the reason that annoys me is because no, it's not because of the floods or anything like that that will make Pakistan better, the fact that it takes time is because it always takes time, regardless of what has happened. It's called evolution. Cultures evolve and mindsets change, a new generation takes over and the nations whole ethos changes along with it....but it takes time.

It's got nothing to do with any god of any religion and this is the reason why many things like this annoy me because people cite religion and/or a god for current affairs and how it's thanks to that god that 'in time' the affected nation will become better.

Probably suggests that in time anything will become better, genius work!

You're right with cultures evolving and mindsets changing, but it's rare for them to go the right way at the moment no?

I can't say much regarding your comment of it has nothing to do with any god on any religion, don't really know what to say, as I don't know if you believe in God. But my belief is, that it does. But Humans should just better themselves.
 
You dont even know what the word faith means. I have absolutely no faith that God doesnt exist, I know so from a complete lack of evidence, and Science can actually theoretically show with very strong evidence that it is impossible for such a thing as a 'God' to exist (any basic understanding of space, vacuum, energy, and molecular structure would easilly allow one to conclude this).

Also, nothing is Science supports the idea that 'Just because we dont know something, then God must have done it'.

Then prove that God, in whatever form doesn't exist. Point to a peer reviewed scientific paper that categorically proves that God doesn't exist.
 
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