Tyson vs Mohammad Ali - Who'd Win?

hurfdurf said:
Let us not forget though, Boxing is dead, MMA rules the roost of sports now.
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Did you see the Randy Couture v James Toney fight the other week?
MMA rulez.

sanaxe1 said:
I don't know but it gave me a brilliant idea for a film. We could input both fighters into a computer and then the computer would determine who was the greatest. Ali can then come out of retirement from his restraunt and him and tyson can have a epic fight. Ali will loose mind you as hes getting on abit but we will all remember how hes the people champ and love him even more.
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Wasn't this a scene out of Rocky 5 or 6 or something?
(And then just before I hit reply I realised that is what you're on about :p)
 
Tombstone said:
I'd say Ali would win.

Foreman had a punch which was as powerful (if not more so) than Tysons, Ali took him on and went round after round against him. He used his movement and smarts to simply outwit and out play Foreman. Like some of the great boxers of today like the mayweathers and the pacmans, and before them jones jr, they excelled at not being beaten by following the mantra that you cant beat what you cant hit. Another thing to remember is that Ali could take a punch, something which I think many people forget.

I'd say that Ali would out smart him and wind Tyson out, its a classic style vs power fight and as we've seen many times in the past quite often the power player in those matches ends up losing to the smarter style boxer.

(I also actually think it would be a pretty awful and dull match to watch)
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Tyson in his prime would have been faster than Ali in his prime. Ali just used to back off and skip around the ring and use his reach to keep the guy away, waiting for the stamina of the other person to go down before going to town.

Ali might of been able to take a punch, but Tyson in his prime hit harder than anyone else in Ali's time. I dont think anyone could take a Tyson punch from his prime and stay standing.

The only disadvantage's Tyson has is stamina and height. So if he was able to corner Ali or catch him quickly, Tyson would win. If Ali could wait unti Tyson tired, then he would win.

Ali only had about 2 decent fights himself (Frazier and Norton), he beat Liston when Liston was an OAP. Liston in his prime would have killed Ali. Frazier beat Ali, then Ali beat Frazier so it goes to show he could be beaten by a puncher. You have to discount Tyson after prison, he was a different man then. George Foreman was 40-0 when he met Ali. Ali had the fight moved to Africa, where he knew Foreman's stamina wouldnt last. Ali was his first loss, at a disadvantage, he couldnt train for a month before the fight due to a cut, which also meant his stamina would be low. Ali used mind games, normally had a very good 1st round in order to put his opponent off from attacking so quickly, then sat back and counter punched until his opponent tired.

I hate Ali's style of boxing, therefore i give it to Tyson with a 2nd round knockout. It all comes down to whether or not Tyson could land his punch before he tired. In his prime Tyson would have landed that punch with his speed and movement 99/100 against anybody.
 
Hard one to call, I grew up watching Tyson mince his way to be the world champion, The Aura of fear he put in people tended to have them mentaly beaten before the bell for the first round.

No doubt Ali was a world class fighter but in a different style. I wouldn't like to say, boxing can be won and lost on any one punch in any one fight.

This is scary though Tyson training and lots of knockouts :eek:
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Ali might of been able to take a punch, but Tyson in his prime hit harder than anyone else in Ali's time. I dont think anyone could take a Tyson punch from his prime and stay standing.
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Well, theres no real way for us to ever know, which is why its so debatable. Personally I disagree that Tyson hit harder than Foreman. I think that Foreman hit harder than Tyson myself.


Psycho Sonny said:
Ali had the fight moved to Africa, where he knew Foreman's stamina wouldnt last.
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Have you got a source for that? I was always under the impression that it was King who moved it to Africa, not Ali or Foreman.
 
Tombstone said:
Well, theres no real way for us to ever know, which is why its so debatable. Personally I disagree that Tyson hit harder than Foreman. I think that Foreman hit harder than Tyson myself.




Have you got a source for that? I was always under the impression that it was King who moved it to Africa, not Ali or Foreman.
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Well the dictator put up $10m of which Foreman would get $5m regardless of any fees, cuts, win or loss, therefore Ali wouldnt normally of signed to that sort of deal but he did because it was in Africa. Well thats how i see it, Ali was a former champion and his cut would have been considerably less than Foreman's, so I think that only reason he signed was because he knew he would be at an advantage. Otherwise he wouldnt of signed and tried to negotiate a better deal of which Foreman had already been promised $5m by King, so it wouldnt of happened then.

So it was a mix of everything, but i dont think Ali would have signed the fight for the same money if it was in America and would have waited for a better deal. So it was up to Ali whether or not to fight in Africa, all King/Foreman saw was the money and didnt care about anything else. Ali saw the advantage and took it. Otherwise the fight would have happened in the states.
 
Ali would win due to the fact that he could take unbelievable punishment if he chose to wear opponents down, this in an era of huge hitters. He was also very fast and accurate, abilities that belied his size. I think a lot of people forget that Ali was a big man. Tyson was a great fighter and I loved his early fights but I think Ali would have been too clever for him. :)
 
Morba said:
People are mentioning taking a punch like Tyson only hit once!
he had fantastic speed and very powerful combinations. We arent talking a 1 punch wonder, he hit and hit and hit.
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Exactly, I read a book on tyson where they had used video to show the speed of tyson in comparison and when they compared the footage, there was nothing in it. Either in handpseed or footspeed. I've always put it down to the quality of framerate in the old tv's as to why Ali looks faster.

I always preferred fraizer anyway, who if he hadn't been just about blind in one eye would have destroyed ali everytime.

pmbuzz said:
Sorry but Foremans punches(in the youtube vid) don't look anywhere near as ferocious or as hard or as fast as Tysons, nowhere near.
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He hit hard but nowhere near as fast.

Spawn said:
Yep id have to agree....Ali was much much quicker on his feet than Tyson ever was....
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He wasn't he just moved about more.

People say the fight would go to ali because of stamina but I don't believe that's true either. Even in the fights where Tyson was clearly having issues, like against Buster Douglas he took one hell of a beating before he was stopped. He could recover from punches well.

Tyson though will always be remembered for the shell of a fighter he was just before he self destructed.

Larry Holmes said once that the person to beat Tyson would be Mike Tyson. he was right. Tyson should have gone 70 fights underfeated, but he was way way too thick.

Tyson in his early 20's would beat anyone that has ever fought in the heavyweight division. He was properly managed coached and was a student of boxing. The fighter that left jail was a cash cow with no ability other than a punch left.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Exactly, I read a book on tyson where they had used video to show the speed of tyson in comparison and when they compared the footage, there was nothing in it. Either in handpseed or footspeed. I've always put it down to the quality of framerate in the old tv's as to why Ali looks faster.

I always preferred fraizer anyway, who if he hadn't been just about blind in one eye would have destroyed ali everytime.



He hit hard but nowhere near as fast.



He wasn't he just moved about more.

People say the fight would go to ali because of stamina but I don't believe that's true either. Even in the fights where Tyson was clearly having issues, like against Buster Douglas he took one hell of a beating before he was stopped. He could recover from punches well.

Tyson though will always be remembered for the shell of a fighter he was just before he self destructed.

Larry Holmes said once that the person to beat Tyson would be Mike Tyson. he was right. Tyson should have gone 70 fights underfeated, but he was way way too thick.

Tyson in his early 20's would beat anyone that has ever fought in the heavyweight division. He was properly managed coached and was a student of boxing. The fighter that left jail was a cash cow with no ability other than a punch left.
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i agree, if tyson had stayed away from don king, kept the same team around him as he did from the start, then he would have destroyed everyone including lennox lewis and holyfield.
 
I think we could debate about who would win between Tyson and Ali forever but what's not debatable is the fact that Audley Harrison would destroy them both. He's destined to be the greatest ever! Why? Because he told me so.
 
i remember tyson in his prime, what a animal, complete machine, he would have ali down in a couple of round imo, ali was very quick but tyson in his prime, some people underestimate how quick he actualy was
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Well the dictator put up $10m of which Foreman would get $5m regardless of any fees, cuts, win or loss, therefore Ali wouldnt normally of signed to that sort of deal but he did because it was in Africa. Well thats how i see it, Ali was a former champion and his cut would have been considerably less than Foreman's, so I think that only reason he signed was because he knew he would be at an advantage. Otherwise he wouldnt of signed and tried to negotiate a better deal of which Foreman had already been promised $5m by King, so it wouldnt of happened then.

So it was a mix of everything, but i dont think Ali would have signed the fight for the same money if it was in America and would have waited for a better deal. So it was up to Ali whether or not to fight in Africa, all King/Foreman saw was the money and didnt care about anything else. Ali saw the advantage and took it. Otherwise the fight would have happened in the states.
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So its actually an assumption on your part rather than a fact that "Ali had the fight moved to Africa"?
 
Ali, although as I almost worship the ground he walks on I am a little biased.

I would bet on a prime Ali to beat any heavyweight out there past and present including Mike Tyson although am a Tyson fan as well.

Tyson was a huge hitter but then again so was George Foreman probably more so and Ali sat on the ropes and absorbed all Foreman could throw at him in before knocking him out in the 8th round. Ali was literally ****ing blood after that fight though.

Ali was not as hard a puncher as Tyson and said on TV a few times that he was not known for being a big puncher but he was fast, very very fast and moved with the speed of a middleweight and I have little doubt that Ali would have boxed Tyson for 12 or 15 rounds and frustrated him with speed and combinations for a points win. I don't think he would have knocked Tyson out.

Tyson was good but he wasn't without flaws and he reigned supreme in quite a poor era of heavywights.

I think there are others of the bygone era who would have beaten him as well. Tyson fought Larry Holmes in 1988 and knocked him out in 4 rounds but I think a prime Mr Holmes would have jabbed Tyson's head off.
 
My vote also goes to Ali also.

Much smarter fighter that can absorb some inevitable punishment and with ample ability to frustrate Tyson for however many rounds.
 
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