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Production cost / Nissan did it for the lolz saying its a better place for them, looks and feels stupid to drive, Primera was the same and its just silly.
Ditto in a RR, unfortunately its not a go-er with the way my fuel is funded
what not get an audi quattro? last year ours was completely unstopable, even on roads that were sheets of ice where you coudlnt get into or out of the car without holding onto the roof rails
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You realise an Elise on winter tyres will be more use in the snow than your average 4x4?
It does amuse me the number of people who think having all wheels driven is all there is to it.
Still if you want to compromise your driving for 11 months of the year to get perceived benefit for 1 month go right ahead
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My X5 gets 35 combined. It's averaging 34.2 since i've had it and that is with more urban than extra urban driving. It would mean having a diesel, but the 3.0i would still return high 20s.High 20's, i cant think that a petrol 4x4 would be anything close to that. Remember i do 25k+ every year on expenses
He's more into the full on luxoSUV a-la Range Rover Vougue than a jacked up 5 Series IIRC.
[TW]Fox;17380848 said:You realise an Elise on winter tyres will be more use in the snow than your average 4x4?
It does amuse me the number of people who think having all wheels driven is all there is to it.
I can see their point. You'd be surprised how much traction you gain in the snow with four-wheel drive, even when I drove my dad's old crappy 4x4 with road tyres in the snow it was night and day compared to my FWD car (which in itself was night and day compared to the MX5), accelerating was much less of a chore especially on inclines - however it doesn't really improve stopping or sideways grip, no
Economy was still in my mind with the 4x4, and which one I chose. The diesel X-Trail will get almost 40mpg combined, and the petrol one should return 30.High 20's, i cant think that a petrol 4x4 would be anything close to that. Remember i do 25k+ every year on expenses
Snow and ice is pretty irrelevant really. I managed fine in the Fiesta. 4x4 will help accelerating, but will do nothing about turning and stopping. Its mainly the crappy roads. I don't know about where you guys live, but they still haven't fixed all the pot holes from the last freeze. Added with the amount of work they keep doing to them, they're in a terrible state around here.
I don't really drive that fast any more, so go kart handling isn't really on my requirement.
I find the central dials a lot better for me. I'm 6'1 and often find the steering wheel obscures the dials. Being central, there's nothing in the way.
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If he is thinking about a 4x4 and consumption is an issue, then the frugality of the BMWs over the Cayenne, GL or Range Rover are worth noting. So until BMW come up with something like an X7 then it's either a fully spec'd X5 or Q7.[TW]Fox;17380965 said:
Not really my cup of tea, but enjoy it 
Shame you can't get a BMW iX in the UK, although I suspect VAG are better..
Add winter tyres into the mix and snow really isn't a problem at all, even under braking (as long as you have ESP and aren't going ridiculously fast).
Shame you can't get a BMW iX in the UK, although I suspect VAG are better..