Pre-bed protein - important or bro science?

Can someone please explain or direct me towards a good link explaining the word 'macro' or 'macro nutrients' etc. as mentioned in the OP and several other times elsewhere in the sports arena - my googling isn't bringing up much info!

Macronutrient = stuff required in large quantities (on a micro scale). ;)

WIKIPEDIA:

Macronutrients are defined in several different ways.

-> The chemical elements humans consume in the largest quantities are carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, and sulfur.

-> The classes of chemical compounds humans consume in the largest quantities and which provide bulk energy is carbohydrates, proteins, and fats. Water and atmospheric oxygen also must be consumed in large quantities, but are not always considered "food" or "nutrients".

-> Calcium, salt (sodium and chloride), magnesium, and potassium (along with phosphorus and sulfur) are sometimes added to the list of macronutrients because they are required in large quantities compared to other vitamins and minerals. They are sometimes referred to as the macrominerals.


Clearly your Google is weak. :)
 
Something else people should remember: a lot of studies are funded by people who want you to spend money on their products.

As said above, 6 meals might work better for some and for others 3. Everyone is different and personal circumstances make differences in the way we work.
Finding what is best for you is what matters :)
 
That's the one thing people forget, most sites and "experts" are sponsored by products and will do anything to boost their sales - selling vague "science". Hence my resistance to supps in general, and relying on foods. Hasn't done me much harm ;)
 
That's the one thing people forget, most sites and "experts" are sponsored by products and will do anything to boost their sales - selling vague "science". Hence my resistance to supps in general, and relying on foods. Hasn't done me much harm ;)

I guess you like cottage cheese then ?

Just tried it for the first time, way too sharp a taste, think I'll have to order some casein instead :(
 
I would say yes and no, as long as macros are met i think you're okay. However saying that i go by a general rule, carbs are centred around my workout, so complex carbs pre, simple carbs post, then some more complex carbs after that. Fats are low in the earlier part of the day as I workout after breakfast, then later in the day when activity levels are low i up the fats and add loads of green veg to my meals, then have a protein shake with some natty pb before bed. Will what I do make a difference? Who knows, but i like doing things this way as it makes sense and I'm seeing good results.
 
Remember that your body can only metabolise so much protein in one go - hence why a lot of it is passed through the kidneys. It's a bell curve distribution, with 30-40g being "optimal" - hence that "magic" number that's bandied about.

Why tax your body more than it needs to? It's far better to let your body slowly develop and deal with the nutrition more effectively than force feeding it.

Your body can handle a lot more than 30-40g of protein per sitting...
 
Jesus, talk about misunderstanding and going off on a tangent, almost nothing that has been said here is relevant.

Firstly lets get the obvious right, I said 6 smaller meals vs ONE meal, it will make a HUGE difference, I didn't say 3 vs 6, I was making a point.

THe point being, eat 3000 calories in one go at midday, you'll store lots as fat, you'll lose a lot through a big fat dump, and you won't have a good supply of protein in your blood at 1-7am when your body is working its hardest to repair.

get a freaking grip, either way I STILL wasn't commenting on the 3 vs 6 meals, I was talking about TIMING of your meals, and that IS important.

As I said, if the average person eats at 8pm, and 7-8am, then you're going a LONG time without food and you'll have a low supply of protein overnight when every single study, EVER has said you repair/build more at night/resting than at any other time, by many many times over.

The point being, its important to eat something right before bed, because if you normally eat at 8pm, and go to sleep at midnight, in 4 hours you'll basically have used/filtered out all the protein from your meal(or most of it) at that stage. So giving your body the ability to digest slowly and slowly release protein into your bloodstream as your body is healing is important. Its not, zomg, you'll die without it important, but its why really try all that hard at the gym if you screw up the single most important thing, rest.

mrthingyx, without wanting to sound completely rude, and belittling, degree's don't mean an awful lot, information changes constantly, research that would have gotten you a first a decade ago can get you a failure now, whats commonly accepted(often through lazyness of lack of opposing opinion) can be accepted as correct, while being completely wrong.

Remember, for the last 40 years if you did any degree/project/research suggesting that fat = bad, you wouldn't be called on it, when infact the idea that fat is bad for you is finally being accepeted as utterly utterly rubbish.

As is the incredibly simplistic notion of "supplements, you don't need them if you eat a well rounded diet with everything you need" well whoop-de-doo, that ignores the fairly simple facts that, we don't eat well rounded diets in general, that mass and intensive farming is clinically proven to reduce the quality of the food compared to where it used to be so eating the same "well rounded" diet today, as 20 years ago, let alone 50 years ago actually nets you quite a different total of protein, fat, quality fats, nutrients and vitamins. Considering 90% of RDA's are completely and utterly made up, with very little significance based on them, and most of them essentially being bare minimums, no one really knows clinically, what the minimum intake of everything is to even be considered a well rounded diet.

then the corker

What supplements can do is alter the dynamics of energy metabolism, etc. within the body, allowing it to be more effcient in the way it actually stores 'energy' as such. Whey protein is something that does this.

My god is that badly writen, supplements can alter the dynamics of energy metabolism, all supplements, really, ALL of them. Its called generalisation, suggesting that all supplements alter the dynamics of energy metabolism, is just plain wrong.

Personally I'll just automatically disagree with someone who maintains supplements are just that, additions to the diet, thats incredibly generalisation again, and wrong.

Is carb a supplement, no, what about once you've hit your "well rounded diet" quota of carbs, what would you call the excess carbs, a, I dunno, SUPPLEMENT to your diet.

Supplements are nothing more than food basically, with food described as anything you take which contains vitamins, nutrients or fat/protein/carbs. If you choose to eat 4 peppers, or a vitamin pill, both are food, if you've already taken a vitamin pill, you're SUPPLEMENTING your intake of vitamin C by having a few more peppers.

People get caught up in this word, supplement, and exclude them as a proper dietary choice, which again, is rubbish.

The other problem being, as I stated, theres incredibly little clinical evidence on the VAST MAJORITY of vitamins, minerals, nutrients on just how much we need a day, without knowing how much vitamin E a day is "healthy" I find it incredible that anyone can designate the cut off point between well rounded, and supplement and choose to discount a pill of vit E as a source but having as much as you want from another source as completely fine.

Its a stigma basically, its illogical, and quite literally I've never seen someone who expresses that opinion explain why why a real food can't also be a supplement in the stuations I've highlighted.

Then we're back to the VERY generalised "big protein intake gets passed out through the kidneys", a quite literally incorrect statement.

"big protein intake in ONE MEAL at ONE TIME can lead to a large portion of it being wasted". You however didn't state that, you didn't state what level is considered big, or the timeframe.

Someone who eats 250grams of protein in 6 equally spaced out meals 4 hours apart(who also works out to the point the body needs a lot of repair work done and has a supple of all the other macro/micro nutrients required to build muscle and provide energy) can probably absorb and use a very high portion of that. Someone who east 150grams in one meal will likely pee out a vast majority of it.

Then again, as I suggested you didn't mention what "big" intake is, lots of people are eating less than 50grams a day, not eating very healthily, someone lifting weights and working out hard will find themselves overtrained and not repairing well, whats big for someone training, 150grams, 200, 300, 400grams? Completely dependant on the person.
 
Ok just to summarise through all the waffle (sorry old chap but you don't half go on in a round about manner):

- Eating before bed is important (agreed)
- Eating decent foods throughout the day is better than in one big go (agreed)
- Supps are just like regular food (disagree)
- We don't know how much our bodies absorb in a day (agreed)
- We don't know (quickly without doing blood/urine tests) what our bodies are lacking in terms of nutrients (agreed)
- Lots of protein over a prolonged time != kidney issues (disagree)
- Varying scales of "big" intakes depending on person, last 2 paragraphs (agreed)
 
Wow that's one hell of an odd post. Read about 4 lines and got confused as to who or what you are referring to dm :p
 
Ok just to summarise through all the waffle (sorry old chap but you don't half go on in a round about manner):

- Eating before bed is important (agreed)
- Eating decent foods throughout the day is better than in one big go (agreed)
- Supps are just like regular food (disagree)
- We don't know how much our bodies absorb in a day (agreed)
- We don't know (quickly without doing blood/urine tests) what our bodies are lacking in terms of nutrients (agreed)
- Lots of protein over a prolonged time != kidney issues (disagree)
- Varying scales of "big" intakes depending on person, last 2 paragraphs (agreed)

man speaks the truth.

I have no knowledge the protein and kidney issues, but I can contribute with an interesting article regarding how suplements aren't really just like food.
http://ezinearticles.com/?All-Vitamin-Supplements-Are-Not-Created-Equal&id=136861
this is what is says:

One important thing with vitamin supplements is that you want to make sure you absorb as much as possible, otherwise you are just wasting your money. Studies have shown that individual vitamin isolates found in supplements are only about 10% absorbed while vitamins directly from a fresh plant source are 77% to 93% absorbed. Minerals have an even lower absorption rate - 1% to 5%. But, from plants like raw broccoli, the minerals are 63% to 78% absorbable.
 
Ok just to summarise through all the waffle (sorry old chap but you don't half go on in a round about manner):

- Eating before bed is important (agreed)
- Eating decent foods throughout the day is better than in one big go (agreed)
- Supps are just like regular food (disagree)
- We don't know how much our bodies absorb in a day (agreed)
- We don't know (quickly without doing blood/urine tests) what our bodies are lacking in terms of nutrients (agreed)
- Lots of protein over a prolonged time != kidney issues (disagree)
- Varying scales of "big" intakes depending on person, last 2 paragraphs (agreed)

Pretty much. Your version is easier to read. ;)
 
Thanks for the newsflash - pray tell, where I said it couldn't? I said the optimal amount for protein synthesis is 30-40g.

No, for larger blokes it can take a lot more protein to reach their leucine threshold and spike protein synthesis. Everyone will have a different optimal amount of protein.
No need to get sarcy is there?
 
Last edited:
No, for larger blokes it can take a lot more protein to reach their leucine threshold and spike protein synthesis. Everyone will have a different optimal amount of protein.
No need to get sarcy is there?

True, but on average 40g is a good target, for most people in the forum it would be about that - for the big mass monsters we're talking about an advanced state of protein synthesis, way beyond the leucine threshold. :)
 
Back
Top Bottom