Soldato
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You come across as a pirate, do support piracy?
What’s it going to take for PC game publishers to drop DRM altogether?
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So your theory is, that despite all evidence to the contrary, DRM is primarily a defence against piracy and its just a massive coincidence that it happens to completely eliminate the second hand market and also control content to such a degree that you can't make your own custom content leaving you to accept whatever they deam worthy as DLC. And because i acknowledge that i must support piracy?
It reminds me of batman arkham asylum (I think that's the one) where they disabled game features that effectively made the game unplayable once you reached a certain point.
Lol, i remember that. I think it was the glide ability and you needed it to get past some poison gas or you couldn't progress.
Mass Effect used the same thing. It's a great idea until you get a false positive - which HAS happened - and a legit user goes to the support board to complain about a bug and he's accused of being a pirate, despite buying the game.
Titan Quest just crashed to the desktop if it thought it had been pirated. Ironically that led to really poor sales as the pirates who downloaded the game pre-release found it to be unstable, and badmouthed the game on every forum they could.
That gave the game an undeserved bad rep as being an unstable piece of rubbish, which certainly didn't help the sales.
Just shows that DRM can back fire on the developer/publisher.
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A Great game will always sell well.
Crap games don't.
Or some bosses lie about sales figures to avoid paying up.
Most people spend more than £800 in a year on booze and fast food.
£30-40 for games isnt a rip off when lots of game studios have gone out of business from not making enough money. Making a video game takes far far more time than a movie does, also movies earn lots of revenue from Cinema tickets, where people pay £8-12 just to watch a movie once.
You can compare film DVD prices to games because hollywood doesnt make its money from DVD sales, it makes it from Cinemas. Games dont have that, which is they need to be sold for more money.
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DRM will never go as way too many PC gamers want something for nothing but are happy to splash the cash for SLI-Crossfire & other expensive hardware 
so naturally want the games for free 
especially as the hardware manufacturers do so little for PC games development (apart from Intel + Nvidia that is 
).
so naturally want the games for free especially as the hardware manufacturers do so little for PC games development (apart from Intel + Nvidia that is ).This. DRM is useless, it doesn't stop piracy. People who want to buy games will buy them, people who want to pirate them, will. regardless of if there is DRM or not. If DRM is crackable, then it's the sale result as there being no DRM.
To the log whinging about piracy and go on about "scumbags", seriously get over yourselves. You're borderline crying over these companies who couldn't give a crap about you. The fact that they claim second hand games, and lending games to friends is the same as piracy says it all. I'm surprised they're not adding "you must only play this game if you purchased it in the first place" to their EULAs.
Piracy will always exist, but its existence is independent of DRM, publishers should know this, and I'm not convinced that they're actually going after pirates, they're using it as an excuse to lock the games down as much as possible to ensure the secondhand games market dies. Piracy is just a very convenient excuse for them to use. If a game doesn't sell well "piracy". They won't ever consider that their game was junk and no one actually wanted it. Piracy doesn't mean lost sales, I'm pretty sure there have been studies carried out to show a "pirate" is more likely to buy the game they've pirated than some one who hasn't played it at all.
I've got a massive games collection, but if I see a game I'm not sure about, yeah I'll pirate it, if it's good I'll buy it (Borderlands, I pirated it, loved it so bought it and all its DLC), if it's junk I won't touch it again. Before anyone wants to go on a "OMG PIRATE" crusade, say what you want, but I'm not taking the risk with a game to find out it's junk and then be stuck with it, but deep down, we all know "piracy = lost sale" is a fallacy anyway, don't we?
i used to pirate games just for the sake of it, but i find when i pay for a game i'm more likely to play it and enjoy it more.
most of the games i play are for online play, and pirated games don't work online usually.
i get all my games off steam these days, and worms reloaded was the only reason i installed it.
most of the games i play are for online play, and pirated games don't work online usually.
i get all my games off steam these days, and worms reloaded was the only reason i installed it.
Yeah thats why they use it. Because DRM clearly hasn't been used primarily to prevent mod support so publishers can release more DLC
Except DRM existed long before monetarised DLC. Also some games with DRM also allow mods. So to say it is to stop mods is a bit silly.
Can't really take the "article" seriously when it includes rubbish like this:
While console piracy is possible, it is in no way as easy as PC piracy.
Either game specific hardware USB dongles required to play (increased cost per game), or personal hardware dongle you register a CD key to?
They use them for software in industry, I'd be glad to use one for playing games.
For the same reason copy protected games CTD etc can backfire, anybody who has boycotted a game due to DRM really needs to either register on the official forums and say, or mail customer support and say - otherwise it just looks like poor sales!
They use them for software in industry, I'd be glad to use one for playing games.
For the same reason copy protected games CTD etc can backfire, anybody who has boycotted a game due to DRM really needs to either register on the official forums and say, or mail customer support and say - otherwise it just looks like poor sales!
No, it was invented to deal with piracy, back in the days before DLC they generally stuck with CD Keys which frankly caused more harm than good. The only benefit they had was preventing more than 1 person using it online but then once the keygen is created that becomes useless too. All it did was **** people off who lost there key, i think we bought Diablo 2 about 3 times now. Just because something was intended for something doesn't its still used for that purpose now.
It defo isn't on 360. Opening the 360 and flashing the dvd-rom is harder than playing any pirated pc game there is full stop.
DRM was around before DLC so to say thats what it was created for is pretty stupid. Especially when there are quite a few titles out there who use DRM and have 0 DLCs, Using the second hand market is also pretty flawed because its dependant on the type of DRM used as there are games with it that can be sold in the second hand market. It was created to tackle piracy which is why they are trying (and failing) at so many different tactics instead of just making you register it or link it to a gaming account or something in the first place. Conspiracy theorists everywhere...