Two Gateshead men arrested for watching 9/11 Koran burning video

groen said:
What is more worrying is that they are arrested for online activity, just shows you how many police are sitting on the internet on facebook and youtube, just looking for people who are uploading videos and posting comments.

like the modern day gulag
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True, I was listening to the latest 'This American Life' podcast and a chap on there in the states had armed police with MP5's come to his door after he posted a quote from a movie on his facebook acc directed at an Apple store as a joke but it was taken as a serious threat, and apparently the 'This American Life' crew got in contact with facebook and they said that they themselves did not contact the police, quite an interesting story, it's here if your interested - http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent, you can stream it for free.
 
Gangster said:
Yes they are, and no it wouldn't be fair enough. What kind of statement is that?
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How often do you hear of Christians going mental because someone burned or otherwise damaged a Bible? It's a central tenet of the Islamic faith that the Koran - the literal book itself - is revered. Christian Bibles? Nothing like the same.
 
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Tefal said:
But being inflammatory is not a crime.

Or else we'd have to lock, you me, spawn and the majority of posters on here up too.
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Oh, I know, I was going for the pun more than anything else.

The thing is, why do it if you're not trying to rile people?

The issue of "inciting hatred" is the sticky bit in all of this - are they inciting hatred? Are they trying to? The funny thing is that the hatred they end up inciting is hatred by the Muslims against "Christians", so it's a bit backwards. Does the offence still apply there?
 
vonhelmet said:
I would imagine that even just recording and sharing such a video would be seen as inciting hatred. Why else would you do it?
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As a legitimate protest? To show they will not be intimidated by radical nutjobs? For a laugh?

vonhelmet said:
My mum buys Korans from charity shops and destroys them, but she isn't videoing herself doing it and putting it on Youtube.
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Why? :confused:

groen said:
What is more worrying is that they are arrested for online activity, just shows you how many police are sitting on the internet on facebook and youtube, just looking for people who are uploading videos and posting comments.

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Alternatively, someone saw it and made a complaint?
 
I like how all this Koran-burning is the only time in history you'd hear people arguing "Well, it's only a bit of book-burning, no big deal"
 
vonhelmet said:
The thing is, why do it if you're not trying to rile people?
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Well like the draw Mohamed day it can be a gesture of solidarity in the face of death threats (and a killing) aimed at a few specific people.

A case of threatening one of us will not work as a thousand more will take his place style thing.


or this well it was a negotiating ploy which some people where too dim to understand.
 

I think it's some Christian idea of not wanting others reading them and being "misled" by them.

Anyway. As I said, she's not publicising the fact, so it's obviously not to rile people.
 
groen said:
unlikely, they would have had to get the ips etc. definitely a lot of time gone in to tracking people down for a watching a youtube video.
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Not really, it's on face book, it's got their full name, town and picture right above the video...

If it was police trawling youtube to find them then they would have had to get a court order to get youtube to give them ips.

Not to mention it would take tens of thousands of officers.

It's far more likely one of the hundreds of thousands/millions of users reported it.
 
Weebull said:
I like how all this Koran-burning is the only time in history you'd hear people arguing "Well, it's only a bit of book-burning, no big deal"
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But it isn't "only a bit of book burning" it is "A bit of book burning which has suddenly turned into a criminal offence". Should people not be able to burn books in legitimate protest?

groen said:
unlikely, they would have had to get the ips etc. definitely a lot of time gone in to tracking people down for a watching a youtube video.
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Someone sees the video, they make a complaint to the police, the police then get the details of the person that posted it to facebook. Which is somewhat different from a team of police officers spending all day browsing the net for evidence of thought crime...
 
ok so all they did was share a link to a video someone else has posted, on their youtube page and now they are getting done for inciting hatred.

what a load of bs. Either way the police are sitting on facebook all day waiting for people to post comments so they can arrest people.
 
groen said:
ok so all they did was share a link to a video someone else has posted, on their youtube page and now they are getting done for inciting hatred.
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No, it now transpires they produced their own video. Keep up!

groen said:
what a load of bs. Either way the police are sitting on facebook all day waiting for people to post comments so they can arrest people.
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Or maybe someone called the police and reported it...
 
groen said:
ok so all they did was share a link to a video someone else has posted, on their youtube page and now they are getting done for inciting hatred.

what a load of bs..
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No, the people who've been arrested are the ones who made, uploaded and star in the video.



Either way the police are sitting on facebook all day waiting for people to post comments so they can arrest people
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again no, the police will have received a report from some busy body and are obligated to follow it up.
 
vonhelmet said:
I think it's some Christian idea of not wanting others reading them and being "misled" by them.

Anyway. As I said, she's not publicising the fact, so it's obviously not to rile people.
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Obviously an act of religious hatred, report her to the police immediately!

Gangster said:
Well you or anyone has no right to say the Bible/Koran have more importance than another.
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Of course we do. I can proclaim the latest Peter F Hamilton Novel to be sacred if I want. What you shouldn't have is the right to enforce the importance.

I would like to see the video first though before I go around condeming anyone, it's content could make a lot of difference is this is justified action or not.
 
RDM said:
But it isn't "only a bit of book burning" it is "A bit of book burning which has suddenly turned into a criminal offence". Should people not be able to burn books in legitimate protest? ...
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Not in the UK as it's a police state you're not allowed to have free speech. But in the US they have the first amendment.
 
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