Chris Moyles rant about not being paid.

Even taking that case law into account, he'd struggle to meet the self-employment position given the long term nature of the contract. I'd agree it's far too confusing - I'm CTA qualified, and still haven't really got a clue.
 
MrLOL said:
any idea what loophole these companies use that offer to pay contractors 90 % of their salary ?
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They are all being told to register as an avoidance scheme and to give details of people that they recommend or provide a service for. So I'm guessing a lot of them won't be around for much longer.

The general jist of it can be found from a quick google (ignore the umbrella company links stating it's all false due to expenses etc).
 
they are understandably very cagey about explaining exactly what loophole they are exploiting on their websites. was wondering if anybody had any more info :)
 
MrLOL said:
they are understandably very cagey about explaining exactly what loophole they are exploiting on their websites. was wondering if anybody had any more info :)
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I found one that was using some kind of discretionary trust arrangement, whereby the trustees would make loans to the employees. The effective tax on a beneficial loan is very low.

There are numerous holes in it though. For starters, while the trust may claim to be discretionary, that wouldn't stand up to any scrutiny, as the loans made to the employees are clearly not being made at the discretion of the trustees, but are determined entirely by the work done. Frankly, I don't see the point of the trust element there. Furthermore, at some point you will either have to repay the loan or the trust will have to write it off so that it becomes yours. If the trust is in the habit of writing off employment related loans then it's not much of a leap for HMRC to point out that it's clearly earnings and tax it.

Now, I could be missing something big here, as trusts are desperately complex beasts, and no doubt someone cleverer than me has devised these schemes and knows some trick... However, at the end of the day, regardless of how clever it is, all HMRC have to do is throw anti-avoidance legislation at you and you're screwed no matter how clever you are. The entire object of these schemes is clearly to avoid tax, and once HMRC come at you on that basis there is nothing you can do. They will take a look at the scheme, remove all the unnecessary steps and say "Well, he's being paid for his work carried out under employment" and they'll tax your income as employment income.
 
I don't really care if he gets paid of not.

I think he needs to get out of radio and off of all things remotely related to comedy on the TV.

The whole rant thing on air is pathetic. He can afford to take it all to court if he wanted.

Total prat.
 
2StepSteve said:
I think he needs to get out of radio and off of all things remotely related to comedy on the TV.
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Unfortunately 9 million other license payers dont agree.

Maybe radio 2 is more your thing (whose breakfast show host is also on £500,000 a year plus)

That is why the BBC has more than 1 radio station after all..
 
MrLOL said:
Unfortunately 9 million other license payers dont agree.

Maybe radio 2 is more your thing (whose breakfast show host is also on £500,000 a year plus)

That is why the BBC has more than 1 radio station after all..
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I doubt he would have 9 million votes behind him.

So you think that I do not like the music played on Radio 1 but I do on Radio 2?

Perhaps I just do not like the DJ on Radio 1?

Perhaps?
 
if you dont like it / him, put something else on? there are loads of breakfast shows out there. Oh wait, the best ones are all pretty much the same!

what would you think if every station had the best DJ and the best music? would be a tad boring no?

it's amazing how people that have free choice decide to continue to listen to something (yes, lots of you moaners still listen in!) instead of turning over.
Also, just because you dont like someone, and you have the choice to listen to some other people, does that really mean he should be out of a job?

what oddities some of you are :P
 
vonhelmet said:
I found one that was using some kind of discretionary trust arrangement, whereby the trustees would make loans to the employees. The effective tax on a beneficial loan is very low.

There are numerous holes in it though. For starters, while the trust may claim to be discretionary, that wouldn't stand up to any scrutiny, as the loans made to the employees are clearly not being made at the discretion of the trustees, but are determined entirely by the work done. Frankly, I don't see the point of the trust element there. Furthermore, at some point you will either have to repay the loan or the trust will have to write it off so that it becomes yours. If the trust is in the habit of writing off employment related loans then it's not much of a leap for HMRC to point out that it's clearly earnings and tax it.

Now, I could be missing something big here, as trusts are desperately complex beasts, and no doubt someone cleverer than me has devised these schemes and knows some trick... However, at the end of the day, regardless of how clever it is, all HMRC have to do is throw anti-avoidance legislation at you and you're screwed no matter how clever you are. The entire object of these schemes is clearly to avoid tax, and once HMRC come at you on that basis there is nothing you can do. They will take a look at the scheme, remove all the unnecessary steps and say "Well, he's being paid for his work carried out under employment" and they'll tax your income as employment income.
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oh they already are tagging everything they can as an avoidance scheme :D
it will be much much harder to operate like this soon. more and more people will move to conventional umbrella's.
 
2StepSteve said:
Anyone that isn't Sara Cox or Moyles.

If you like him then fair play.
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you'd rather have Scott "off of hampshire" Mills doing the breakfast show ?

If anything i find his constant attempts to be seen as "street" to the chavs even more annoying than moyles low brow humour.
 
MrLOL said:
you'd rather have Scott "off of hampshire" Mills doing the breakfast show ?

If anything i find his constant attempts to be seen as "street" to the chavs even more annoying than moyles low brow humour.
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Where did I say I like Scott Mills? :confused:

Too many DJ's are worked up about promoting themselves rather than the music.

All BBC stations are the same and the DJ gets in the way all too often.
 
2StepSteve said:
Where did I say I like Scott Mills? :confused:

Too many DJ's are worked up about promoting themselves rather than the music.

All BBC stations are the same and the DJ gets in the way all too often.
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because thats why they are paid, thats why so many people listen to them.
Is it really that hard to understand that the BBC wants the DJs to be like this?
 
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