I think thats an urban myth, no one designs anything to go wrong at the end of a set period, things just have a cost / quality line drawn.
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I think thats an urban myth, no one designs anything to go wrong at the end of a set period, things just have a cost / quality line drawn.
of course they dont MAKE it to be a ticking time bomb to go off after X-time or use "hmmm shall we do 2500 hours use or 2600 hours use.... hmmm"
but they dont make it to last forever
Well why would they? They are in the business of making money not losing it.
Its like that gem i used to hear "yea those E class fuel pumps and ECU's 100k and pop" what a load of ****, its the luck of the draw and how the car was used/maintained..
how is "them" being in the business of making money any benefit to me?
by that little quip you think its acceptable to buy a new car and for injectors/flywheels/the bodywork (if youve just got a mercedes)/ cats etc all to have a finite lifespan?
i changed various suspension components on my old golf, all very late on in life because i simpy didnt beleive they should have any useful life left in the them (ie close to 200k miles). the oe ball joints came off immaculate and so did the front top mounts. i infact caused myself more grief as i fitted a slightly gyppo set of top mounts on which died after a year
everyone: rush out and buy FEBI suspension component, theyll last 11-13 months, which is fine, theyre in the business of making money!
whats the other word for a cup?
by that little quip you think its acceptable to buy a new car and for injectors/flywheels/the bodywork (if youve just got a mercedes)/ cats etc all to have a finite lifespan?
i changed various suspension components on my old golf, all very late on in life because i simpy didnt beleive they should have any useful life left in the them (ie close to 200k miles). the oe ball joints came off immaculate and so did the front top mounts. i infact caused myself more grief as i fitted a slightly gyppo set of top mounts on which died after a year
everyone: rush out and buy FEBI suspension component, theyll last 11-13 months, which is fine, theyre in the business of making money!
whats the other word for a cup?
Seriously are you on drugs?
What do you think the entire commercial world revolves around? Keeping you happy or making a profit?
You had a result with your Golf, thats great but for every one like yours theres 5000 in the bin now, its the way it goes.
Yes i do, but im also realistic enough to realise that profits need to be made and everything has a reasonable life expectancy.
They just cant afford to build cars like circa 1993 E class Mercs anymore, unless you want to increase the price to the point no one wants to pay.
Im not saying its a great situation, but its the one we have.
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[TW]Fox;17441052 said:
Flaws or not, they add to the experience.
Seriously, I hate the way that cars have become disposable white goods. I completely understand why a new Hyundai I30 will work for the most of the population but for me (and I suspect many other "old" car enthusiasts) that just doesn't cut it. There has to be at least a little bit of an experience, something to make the car more than the sum of it's parts.
Now a car can either do this by being utterly, utterly fantastic or by being a little bit crap
. I loved the way that my old GTI had one of those rubbish "touch in" immobilizes and wouldn't start unless I primed the fuel pump twice and cranked it over for about 30+ seconds. It was a little starting ritual that made every single journey I made in that car a little bit special.Cars (at least to an enthusiast) should have at least a little bit of drama.
Flaws or not, they add to the experience.
Seriously, I hate the way that cars have become disposable white goods. I completely understand why a new Hyundai I30 will work for the most of the population but for me (and I suspect many other "old" car enthusiasts) that just doesn't cut it. There has to be at least a little bit of an experience, something to make the car more than the sum of it's parts.
Now a car can either do this by being utterly, utterly fantastic or by being a little bit crap
Cars (at least to an enthusiast) should have at least a little bit of drama.
Yea a bit of interest is fine but not starting the thing, its got to start properly for me
As most people here will know, I prefer old cars.
There are lots of new cars I like. But they are all very expensive and at the upper end (sports cars, hot hatches and so on) of the market and I cannot afford to buy them.
I generally dislike the insulated, detached feel that the majority of new cars have. Light wooly steering, over-servoed brakes, no feeling in the clutch. That sort of thing.
I like to feel the mechanicalness (is that even a word?!) of it all when I'm driving a car.
I also like older styling. Most modern cars don't really float my boat from a looks point of view.
I have never considered safety when buying a car so that isn't a factor.
What I don't really like about old cars is the following:
Excessive road or wind noise
Steaming up windows due to poor door seals and no aircon
Miserable lighting technology (inside and out)
I use a 22 year old car every day. Kate uses a 23 year old car every day. We both find them perfectly livable with.
There are lots of new cars I like. But they are all very expensive and at the upper end (sports cars, hot hatches and so on) of the market and I cannot afford to buy them.
I generally dislike the insulated, detached feel that the majority of new cars have. Light wooly steering, over-servoed brakes, no feeling in the clutch. That sort of thing.
I like to feel the mechanicalness (is that even a word?!) of it all when I'm driving a car.
I also like older styling. Most modern cars don't really float my boat from a looks point of view.
I have never considered safety when buying a car so that isn't a factor.
What I don't really like about old cars is the following:
Excessive road or wind noise
Steaming up windows due to poor door seals and no aircon
Miserable lighting technology (inside and out)
I use a 22 year old car every day. Kate uses a 23 year old car every day. We both find them perfectly livable with.
Calm down, I understand fully people liking older cars, I infact do.
However, just because it's old doesn't mean it's good. a **** car when new is still the same **** car when it's older and nothing can redeem an astra or an escort. Have you honestly been in one? They are pathetic. I mean they even look gash so I can't see how you could possibly want one over a focus. You could even get an 'old' focus.
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Whats amazing is how totally crap cars are now totally cool because they are old. Everything from the early 80's is now 'old skool cool', its as if they suddenly never made crap hatchbacks in the 1980's.
It really is the equivilent of us all going 'Mate that is totally cool' when we see a K reg Corsa in 10 years time.
It really is the equivilent of us all going 'Mate that is totally cool' when we see a K reg Corsa in 10 years time.
For a day-to-day car, I love modern technology, equipment and comfort. Digital climate control, electric everything, trip computers, reasonable looking interiors, a decent quality audio system, and all at a reasonable price. I could buy a 15 year old Lexus or Mecedes with all of this but I bet it'd cost more to run than my Mondeo 
As for fun, well I'm not fussed. If I had tens of thousands to spend on a weekend car, then yes I'd be able to afford something focussed on driving enjoyment yet reasonably 'new'. But I didn't, so I bought one of the most fun cars in existence at its price point. It just happens to be 20 years old, and it doesn't really hinder its abilities in such a way at all, quite the opposite infact. It's raw, it's precise, there's plenty of feedback, it's great fun.
As for fun, well I'm not fussed. If I had tens of thousands to spend on a weekend car, then yes I'd be able to afford something focussed on driving enjoyment yet reasonably 'new'. But I didn't, so I bought one of the most fun cars in existence at its price point. It just happens to be 20 years old, and it doesn't really hinder its abilities in such a way at all, quite the opposite infact. It's raw, it's precise, there's plenty of feedback, it's great fun.
[TW]Fox;17443648 said:
got to be a nostalgia thing. i was reading a film review earlier and saw it was from 1990 and i had a "christ that was 20 years ago" moment
any little hatch back from the early 80s is going to be nigh on 30 years old, lucky to be still alive and so pretty rare too.
dont pretend you dont get remotely excited when you see a tidy e30 on the road
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How about because they give them the driving experience and nostalgia they're looking for but are accessible?[TW]Fox;17443648 said:
Ten years ago it was 70's Escorts that were ultimate cool but they are now out of reach for most people.
Ten years before that it was 60's Anglias and Cortinas.
Old skool has always been kool.
Fox, you're too young to realise that and you're not into cars anyway, so whatever way you look at it, your opinion on retro motoring is void
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I prefer the look of a lot of older cars. I suppose if I had the money I would buy a modern day to day car and an old classic for the weekend.
The coolest cars are the old ones for sure. I mean, I know this little beauty is hardly a standard old car, but how amazing is it?
The coolest cars are the old ones for sure. I mean, I know this little beauty is hardly a standard old car, but how amazing is it?
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[TW]Fox;17443648 said:
The Corsa was never cool and never will be we all know that right
80's cars are cool so nurr