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Explanation of why Fermi came to the party late

I don't really see an admission there from him, but rather a claim that it wasn't their fault, but Fermi was too advanced for TSMC.
 
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kylew said:
I don't really see an admission there from him, but rather a claim that it wasn't their fault, but Fermi was too advanced for TSMC.
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Seemed to me there was a break down in communication the two teams that were working on it in as much as they weren't sure who's job it was to make sure that the interconnect paths could allow simultaneous communication with the SM's and memory.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Seemed to me there was a break down in communication the two teams that were working on it in as much as they weren't sure who's job it was to make sure that the interconnect paths could allow simultaneous communication with the SM's and memory.
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I felt that the "Other team" was TSMC, considering he said "both teams are from two different companies".
 
He says "two different organisations" at 3:36. I'd be more inclined to believe "organisations" was referring to different companies, rather than departments.
 
straxusii said:
I dont think you guys have watched the video, he is clearly talking about 2 departments within Nvidia.
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If I hadn't watched the video, how would I know he says organisations? I think that it's not very clear at all what he's talking about, but the fact that he's saying "organisations" and talking about engineers from different organisations, then about having to fix their design so that it worked for it, says to me he's talking about TSMC.
 
I feel like I should interject here.

Mr Jen-Hsun Huang is talking about two internal Nvidia departments, not TSMC... they just manufacture the chips, they didnt have any say in the engineering of them.

Taken from here: http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/9/24/nvidia-owns-broken-fermis/

"The company was forced to re-engineer the part in order to get it working, causing the delays. However, how did this come to happen? Well, the CEO explained that the problem stemmed from the engineers at Nvidia not knowing exactly who's responsibility it was to develop the interconnect and ended having two departments (physics and architecture) doing the same thing in two different ways. Something which eluded company management until the first silicon turned up broken. A clear project management failure that should - you might imagine - cause some heads to roll at Nvidia (not that we've seen any)."
 
He specifically says they are 'his' engineers and expresses the possibility that he could simply rearrange them into the same group and management structure. If nothing else, he's heavily implying that he's talking about engineers within his own company. I think 'organisations' in that context just refers to engineering groups that are independently managed and organised within Nvidia.
 
He's talking about two different design teams within NVidia, neither team were made responsible for the interconnect and so it slipped under the radar.

Organization:
Social unit of people, systematically arranged and managed to meet a need or to pursue collective goals on a continuing basis.
 
kylew said:
If I hadn't watched the video, how would I know he says organisations? I think that it's not very clear at all what he's talking about, but the fact that he's saying "organisations" and talking about engineers from different organisations, then about having to fix their design so that it worked for it, says to me he's talking about TSMC.
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Just watch that section of the video again mate and it will be clear to you.
 
I thought its because the CEO was busy getting this tattoo :p:

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Repost......:D


this was actually posted several days ago in this thread.

anyway i do think that he is talking about two internal parts of Nvidia rather than Nvidia and an external company, although the way he says it it could be interpreted either way.
 
It clearly talks about departments in the written article as well and when it does talk about organisations it's in reference to "his engineers". It certainly seems Charlie was right from what I can remember about him saying the first batch didn't work at all and had to be respun leading to a however long delay it was. Of course it then doesn't explain the then subsequent issues they had with TSMC and yields.
 
just remember that the written article is only that reporters interpretation of the interview.
 
bru said:
just remember that the written article is only that reporters interpretation of the interview.
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But the other thing is, it has absolutely nothing to do with TSMC, the design of Fermi. TSMC will give them the design rules for the process (things like size and shapes of transistors), the actual functional design is 100% Nvidia's responsibility.
 
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