Hello Neph09
I've been using 2 screens at work for years far enjoy having 2 screens.
Ok fair enough . . . are they both 24" screens you have at work? . . . I did a home system a couple of years ago for an FX dealer who needed heaps of windows open to display various financial information . . . he had a big budget and a "need" so it all kinda made sense . . .
Ok so its a tea break and he is staring at a blank desktop but moments later both screens were filled with live financial data . . .
I'm not sure from what you described how you will benefit from a similar set-up? . . . I wonder did you consider something like a 40" LCD TV with the machine linked up via HDMI . . . It totally rocks for gaming and wouldn't cost you much more? . . . any thoughts?
All of what i said is hypothetical not sure why your on my case.
I'm not on your case? . . . I am discussing your ideas and examining your reasoning behind your rather large spend on your new system? . . . If you know something I don't know then I will have learned something by having this chat . . . conversely if I know something you don't know or didn't previously consider you will have learnt something from this chat . . . it's a two way thing?
Now what do you mean "All of what you said is hypothetical" . . . what part of your purchasing decision today is not well supported by available evidence?
I'm not buying a second GPU now nor more RAM or anything but in say 3 years if i need more ram or a better GPU i will guarantee the prices will be far cheaper than they are now and i will be able to upgrade what i have for a far less that building a new PC.
I have a different idea about this which is its better to pay less and buy the technology you actually need . . . then in 2-3 years swap-out the CPU/Mobo/Mem(?) and replace them with something more modern . . . assuming all else is equal nothing else has to be changed . . . the only downside to this is that you have to undo a few screws and remove the mobo and most likey re-install your O/S and then of course flog your older CPU/Mobo/Mem combo @ auction . . . . the upside to this is that you get a much better system to deal with your "needs" of the future and the older hardware fetches a decent price which goes someway to paying for the newer kit . . . historically I have found the part which depreciates the fastest is the processor with the best prices coming from the top parts on that particular socket (i.e people want to buy the best chip they can for the ancient socket?) . . . the mobo and memory always seem to fetch a good price particularly if you kept the boxes and all accessories . . .
In short, with the savings you could make today by purchasing lesser kit and combined with the value to get for flogging your kit down the line means you will "always" have a better PC than somebody who buys top-end today and runs it into the ground for five years + . . . . a faster PC in the future and more money in your pocket £££ . . .
Personally 4GB of RAM is the minimum to have now and i would prefer 6gb.
Of course this depands entirely on what you are actually doing with your PC . . . if you feel that 4GB is not enough today then why don't you go "SuperSize" with the Dual-Channel and double up to 8GB? . . . your spec includes 6GB for £139.99 when you could have 8GB for £159.98 (an extra £20) . . .
Also if your going to buy a DDR3 board why use Dual channel? Bit pointless?
Sorry I don't follow?
What has DDR3 got to do with Dual-Channel or Triple-Channel? . . . do you know something I don't know? . . . if so please enlighten me?
Just for the record here are two comparisons showing the difference between Dual-Channel and Triple channel on the Intel® Core™ i7 platform
Intel Core i7 Memory Analysis – Can Dual Channel Cut it?
TweakTown Nov 24, 2008
Intel® Core™ i7 Dual-Channel vs. Triple-Channel Memory Mode
InsideHW Friday, 20 March 2009
Dont really care for bench marks but from what i am Speccing myself i see future for anything i want to run and the ability to upgrade if i need to.
Yeah I agree benchmarking can be a bit dull, only really found it useful myself to find out if the settings I am changing in the BIOS are improving the performance of the machine or making it worse!
I'm not against the idea of upgrading in the future, the point I am trying to make is that you don't need to spend such a premium for the luxury of being able to upgrade? . . . and both machines specc'ed in this thread are not going to need upgrading anytime soon with the exception of perhaps Memory or GPU? . . .
Your arguments saying that i won't need it soon is true i don't disagree. But thats what I'm trying to explain its the future in 3 years time i may find i need 12Gb ram i don't even have to swap out what i have i can just add 3 more sticks and i have 12GB
Hmmm . . . your basically saying the six memory slots on the Intel® X58 Express Chipset is something that you value . . . I'm not sure what you actually do with your PC apart from gaming that is actually going to need such a huge amount of memory? . . . Going back in time three years to 2007 2GB was a very good amount with only a few people using 4GB . . . now in 2010 4GB is considered standard with only a few people using 8GB . . . based on that I suppose going forward three years that means 8GB will be considered standard with a few people using 16GB . . . possible problem on the mobo with four ram slots unless 4GB sticks of DDR3 are fairly common by then . . . with four slots and a 4GB sticks that gives you the option of 16GB?
People with 2GB systems from 2007 who want more memory today would take which option
- Buy another 2GB(2x1GB) to add to their existing 2GB(2x1GB)
- Buy a 4GB(2x2GB) set and sell their existing 2GB(2x1GB)
Again Multi GPU I'm not going to be purchasing that until i Need one and i may never need it if my Games don't ever tax the system. No i won't whip them out if something new comes along.
I've always been interested in MultiGPU but to this day I never tried it out? . . . the reason I never tried it out is personally I found a single powerful GPU always has worked well for me? . . . If I was a benchmarker or has an e-slong that I wanted to dangle on the forums I suppose Multi-GPU would be a bit more appealing!
. . . . I don't know many people that run a single GPU who eventually add in another GPU down the line . . . the problem there is by the time your single GPU starts to struggle in a game and you think about picking up a second model they are no longer available for sale? . . . you can normally pick them up used though? . . . another problem is that by the time you think about adding a second card their is normally a single card out for sale which is just as fast as your pair of older cards? . . . with this in mind Multi-GPU only really makes sense to me for people who buy both cards at the same time (new) and set-up a stonking benchmarking machine today . . .
Seems a pity to buy a premium £££ motherboard which offers Multi-GPU and a premium £££ PSU which offers Multi-GPU and only ever use a single GPU?
I don't care that it launched in 2008 are you telling me a core i7 sucks because it launched in 2008? Really?
No not at all?
. . . what I was saying is that it seems a pity to buy a very expensive product that you intend to last many many years at the end of its product life cycle . . . as I'm sure you know Intel® have been hard at work getting their next big thing ready for release in a few months and your still paying big bucks £££ for something they invented in 2008 . . . it seems to me like money for old rope . . . the price you are paying today is almost identical to the price people were paying in late 2008 . . . I just think perhaps your not getting good value for your money . . .
My aim will be to skip the Sandy Bridge generation, and they upgrade in 3-5 years time, i will pick up an Intel G3 at some stage a 300gb one possibly so i can run all my programs on that.
I see? . . . do you normally do a big upgrade and go with a product that is basically at the end of its life cycle and just before the next big product is released? . . . if so can you explain how that works please? . . . there doesn't seem to be an obvious advantage to this method that I can see? . . . your still paying big bucks and you seem to be happy in doing this . . . I would have thought for someone intending to really max out the system life that buying into a product when it launched was a better idea? . . . seems to be the case for Jonny-OcUK who bought his premium Intel® Core™ i7 system in 2008? . . .he would have been coasting along quite nicely now for two years?
Never heard of an Intel® G3 before? . . . just did a quick gOOgle and it seems to be a new SSD? . . . whats it all about then? . . . and what does this have to do with Intel® Core™ i7 LGA1366? . . .
But i really think my spec puts me in a position for now and future.
Ok . . . I don't see what advantage you have with your Intel® Core™ i7 spec over the AMD® Phenom™ II X4 spec "now" apart from spending an extra £400 quid odd? . . . and for the future? . . . well you said something about 24GB of memory and MultiGPU . . . is this likely to happen or is this how you "justify" the extra expense . . . just in case? . . . I don't see that 8GB is going to restrict you? along with the option of selling your older 2Gb sticks and replacing then with 4x4Gb sticks for a nice 16GB? . . . I don't see how swapping out a single 2010 GPU for a single more powerful 2013 GPU is going to restrict you?
Also not quite sure how you don't understand what i mean by, 'for the future' I realise you can never future proof computers. However like above i have put myself in a position thta i can buy in say 3 years time RAM, a second GPU and even if needed the highest i7 far far cheaper if i need the upgrade.
If you were going to live on the Moon or someplace where you would be cut-off from the rest of the world I can understand why you would need to "Bulk Up" on technology today? . . .
I can also see that if you were someone who absolutely loathed rolling their sleeves up and swapping out a CPU & Motherboard and perhaps re-installing an O/S would need to "Bulk Up" on technology today? . . .
But I don't see either of these apply to you? . . . what I see is yet another person who appears to have
succumbed to a multi-million dollar $$$ marketing campaign who finds himself mysteriously "wanting" a product and appears to have concocted a really flawed set of reasoning to "Justify" actually "needing" to spend a lot more money than is really necessary?
This notion is only reinforced because you see thousands and thousands of other people doing the same thing and you appear to be following suit using reasons that are not your own and do not really apply to you?
What do you actually do with your computer apart from playing Video games? and why on earth as a consumer are you not interested in saving as much money £££ as possible while at the same time not suffering any obvious technological disadvantage? . . . from everything you have said so far I just cannot see why you would spend the extra £400 odd?
Thanks for reading . . . and believe it or not I am actually trying to learn something here . . . either that or I am trying to help you learn something here . . . big bucks about to be spent . . . "think"
