Insurance - money situation -

To be fair, if it was a bit easier to get a cheap, simple car insured at 17/18/19 then there wouldn't be as much fronting.

The model that these insurance companies use to calculate premiums is an utter joke.

I'm not condoning fronting in any way mind, but I have a certain amount of sympathy for those who do.

I can see why people front; the proportiante costs at that age are high. But it's the cost at the end of the say and they are a business; when they don't make profits then the market will only get smaller and that's a bad thing.

I'm currently on my fourth policy at over a grand a year and my second at £1500 a year; hurts but it would hurt a lot more if I came unstuck
 
Is it a court fine if you are paying the insurance company?

No, I'm not haunted by it, in the slightest.

I think the risk of a court case being started over expired insurance policies that were never claimed against because some dude said he fronted them on the Internet is somewhere between no chance and fat chance.

the court fine is issued to you when you hit someone, your insurance company fails to honour your fraudulent policy, you subsequently get arrested for fraud and all the costs are dumped squarely at your feet.

I did smirk at the bankruptcy question, fond of taking the easy way out? :p

the internet never sleeps, if kids can get arrested for speeding by admission on a forum I doubt it's beyond the realms of possibility that insurance fraudsters could face an equally similar fate.

we can only hope eh? :)
 
To be fair, if it was a bit easier to get a cheap, simple car insured at 17/18/19 then there wouldn't be as much fronting.

The model that these insurance companies use to calculate premiums is an utter joke.

I'm not condoning fronting in any way mind, but I have a certain amount of sympathy for those who do.


They actually have a model ? I always assumed that they just had a board with numbers on it and slung darts and quoted you whatever it hit.

If they didn't charge such exorbitant amounts then maybe fronting would be so commonplace.

There are ways to get cheap (ish) insurance, just have to find the right car, my little sis occasionally uses my parents car, its a Seat ibiza 1.9 TDI, it's about as boy racer as a block of cheese, it sounds like a tractor and is simply not cool, but would cost her 3k to insure in her own name, however an MG Midget would cost just over a grand to insure with a specialist insurance company.

The problem insurance companies have is they are paying out huge amounts in pointless and frivolous personal injury claims, no matter what happens the insurance companies loose as the no win no fee rubbish is covered by the insurance companies, they either pay out to the claimant or the firms costs are covered by insurance that they have if they do loose.

And guess who the costs get passed on to ? it's no wonder insurance is so rediculously expensive.
 
If I had had one years NCB and no accident after my first year driving my insurance would've cost £4 less. I know it's not the norm, but if I had fronted, I would've felt no damage from ti.
 
the court fine is issued to you when you hit someone, your insurance company fails to honour your fraudulent policy, you subsequently get arrested for fraud and all the costs are dumped squarely at your feet.

I did smirk at the bankruptcy question, fond of taking the easy way out? :p

the internet never sleeps, if kids can get arrested for speeding by omission on a forum I doubt it's beyond the realms of possibility that insurance fraudsters could face an equally similar fate.

we can only hope eh? :)
Is that your guess or is that actually how it works? That seems rather simplistic.

Re: taking the easy way out - of course? The path to your destination offering the least resistance is the best route to take. If I amassed a debt I couldn't afford to pay, I would declare bankruptcy, assuming that offered the best outcome.

Arrested for speeding with videos of you doing it and witnesses is a bit different from starting a fraud trial for an insurance policy that never paid out and expired several years ago on the basis of someone going "yeah I fronted it". Not worth the insurance company's time, and they are the only people who would even remotely bother to pursue it.
 
If I had had one years NCB and no accident after my first year driving my insurance would've cost £4 less. I know it's not the norm, but if I had fronted, I would've felt no damage from ti.

0NCB over 1NCB, quite a big difference, if your premium changed by £4 find a different insurers!
 
Is that your guess or is that actually how it works? That seems rather simplistic.

Re: taking the easy way out - of course? The path to your destination offering the least resistance is the best route to take. If I amassed a debt I couldn't afford to pay, I would declare bankruptcy, assuming that offered the best outcome.

Arrested for speeding with videos of you doing it and witnesses is a bit different from starting a fraud trial for an insurance policy that never paid out and expired several years ago on the basis of someone going "yeah I fronted it". Not worth the insurance company's time, and they are the only people who would even remotely bother to pursue it.

not my guess, its a fact, if you had a crash whilst fronting and this get proven by your insurance company they will cancel your policy resulting in

a) you driving without insurance so you get an instant 6 points and a fine
b) your car not being covered for repair
c) whoever you hit/hit you not being covered for repair
d) any personally injuries as a result of the accident not being covered
e) all legal costs not being covered

b-e the 'fronter' pays for, as its a criminal trial you get properly means tested too so you can't fob off with £5 a week.

I won't argue the internet detective side any further, what I will say is I wouldn't be proud of your actions, then again you did drive a puke coloured beemer so i guess you are paying your pennance one way or another :)
 
PMK

Since you haven't posted any stupid stuff in a while, i thought you might have grown up a bit, but when i see you post stuff like how you're going to "out manouver" insurance companies, it makes me think that you're still the same "70mph+ in a 30" and "DSC saves all y0" idiot that you used to be.

I mean, even if you did used to front insurance - you really think it is a good idea to post about it?? You must have seen these threads before and surely you would have known it'd be better to keep quiet.

I'm sure you're a nice guy, and i don't know you from Adam, apart from what i see posted on here. Just my 2p's worth.
 
0NCB over 1NCB, quite a big difference, if your premium changed by £4 find a different insurers!

Admiral were cheapest by a mile. 1NCB and no accident gave a quote £4 cheaper than 0NCB and my accident. Nobody else could come close on either respect. £625 fully comp at 18 isn't bad :)
 
My excess is £1400 this year to get my quote down! TBH I'll be over 21 now so won't have to pay the 'Under 21 £400 charge' so I'll no doubt get a £1000 excess policy this year again when it comes for renewal (Nov/Dec).
 
Funny thing is I see "fronters" being busted day in day out - mostly with use of private investigators - it's pretty simple and pretty cheap to have someone sit outside the policyholder's house for 3 mornings and watch the kid use the car to go to work/school.

But PMK is more cleverer than this and would never get caught out, because he'd wear a badgers mask or something and dispute the evidence. Yes PMK you might have friends in high/strategic places but quite frankly you'd get out-thought by even an averagely skilled insurance claims handler.

Nothing more unsavoury than someone who thinks they're just too clever to get caught.
 
there's absolutely no point going fully comp on a £500 car

his excess will probably be more than £500 at his age.

Its not just the value of the car you should be concerned about, its the value of your life.

If you cause a crash with only 3rd Party cover and you yourself get injured you get nothing to cover loss of earnings if you happen to be out of work for a while. Nobody ever seems to think about the value of their own lives, just the value of the car....
 
Its not just the value of the car you should be concerned about, its the value of your life.

If you cause a crash with only 3rd Party cover and you yourself get injured you get nothing to cover loss of earnings if you happen to be out of work for a while. Nobody ever seems to think about the value of their own lives, just the value of the car....

Lol, wtf are you going on about?

Fully comp doesn't pay you lost earnings anyway.
 
Out of curiosity - obviously everyone moans about the cost of insurance for young drivers (always have and probably always will).

Well, my first year's car insurance was £470 a year and I was working full time earning an annual salary of £4750, so around 10% of my annual earnings went on insurance.

This was in 1989.

To the present stock of 17/18 year olds - is your car insurance around 10%?
 
Lol, wtf are you going on about?

Fully comp doesn't pay you lost earnings anyway.

Yes it does, if you were to be injured in an accident and was severely disabled, therefore unable to work, insurance will pay out.

Saying this, I've mixed this up with the Legal cover....:D
 
Life is a gamble Will Gill.
Funny thing is I see "fronters" being busted day in day out - mostly with use of private investigators - it's pretty simple and pretty cheap to have someone sit outside the policyholder's house for 3 mornings and watch the kid use the car to go to work/school.
I almost mentioned this earlier. The only way that an investigator would get an idea of my use of the car would be to ask people who see me drive. I have access to a pool of other cars and if I were to make a claim I would not use the car the policy is on. That isn't some hindsight view - I was very deliberate in not paying for MOTs (though that was also for another unrelated reason), tax, the policy, maintenance etc. In fact, even if I hadn't planned to use another car, if the insured car was in need of repairs I would simply use one of the other cars anyway.
Yes PMK you might have friends in high/strategic places but quite frankly you'd get out-thought by even an averagely skilled insurance claims handler.
I don't have any friends in high/strategic places, but I am certain that the averagely skilled claims handler wouldn't even see the signs to warrant an investigation, and even if they did, they'd find very little. It would only be the casual observations of neighbours. My car changed several times, and these cars were both also driven by other members of the household before I took them on.
PMK

Since you haven't posted any stupid stuff in a while, i thought you might have grown up a bit, but when i see you post stuff like how you're going to "out manouver" insurance companies, it makes me think that you're still the same "70mph+ in a 30" and "DSC saves all y0" idiot that you used to be.

I mean, even if you did used to front insurance - you really think it is a good idea to post about it?? You must have seen these threads before and surely you would have known it'd be better to keep quiet.

I'm sure you're a nice guy, and i don't know you from Adam, apart from what i see posted on here. Just my 2p's worth.
Firstly, I haven't fronted an insurance policy since early 2006-ish (IIRC). We are talking about nearly 5 years ago.

Secondly, I have seen these threads before. I have my opinion and the history of my actions and that's that. People can comment all they like - I don't mind :p

Thirdly, people say I am a really nice guy :p
 
Well, my first year's car insurance was £470 a year and I was working full time earning an annual salary of £4750, so around 10% of my annual earnings went on insurance.

This was in 1989.
My first year came to ~£1,050 and I was earning £15,210, so just under 7%. This was in 2005.
 
Life is a gamble Will Gill.

you can do yourself a favour and stack the odds in your favour though

i can see you aren't really remorseful about committing fraud so I won't waste my time

needless to say I think you were rather short sighted, but then your choice in car colour confirms that.

have fun
 
Out of curiosity - obviously everyone moans about the cost of insurance for young drivers (always have and probably always will).

Well, my first year's car insurance was £470 a year and I was working full time earning an annual salary of £4750, so around 10% of my annual earnings went on insurance.

This was in 1989.

To the present stock of 17/18 year olds - is your car insurance around 10%?

Most of my friends paid between £1400-£1800 for the first year and I can't see many 17/18 year olds walking into £18k a year job.

I paid £700~ and was on about £8k doing generic part time shop work whilst at college.
 
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