Why do you think people don’t like the Police?

Von Smallhausen said:
The media either do not know, do not care or find it convenient to omit that the officers who followed Mr de Menezes onto the train did indeed pile on top of him ....... in order to absorb as much of the blast as possible, believing him to be a suicide bomber and knowing it would have killed them as well.

Do you think they whooped with joy when they found out he wasn't ?

I agree entirely that someone should answer for that day but I believe it should be higher up the chain but certainly not the officers that shot him dead. The whole episode is a tragedy.
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They really thought piling onto of him was going to stop/reduce the blast of a bomb ? ............ you are having a laugh mate

And the fact that that no-one has ever been brought to justice over his state execution speaks volumes of how accountable the police really are
 
lurkio said:
They really thought piling onto of him was going to stop/reduce the blast of a bomb ? ............ you are having a laugh mat
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Ever heard of shrapnel? Diving on the bomb doesnt just cover the explosion, but possibly any added effect a terrorist has aimed for, Like a bomb having ball barings\nails\scrap within. Obviously not to the extent it will stop a hell of a lot of damage. But i can imagine the human body could take a fair few before being obliterated. Which would lessen the bombs damage, even if only by a fraction.
 
wannabedamned said:
Ever heard of shrapnel? Diving on the bomb doesnt just cover the explosion, but possibly any added effect a terrorist has aimed for, Like a bomb having ball barings\nails\scrap within. Obviously not to the extent it will stop a hell of a lot of damage. But i can imagine the human body could take a fair few before being obliterated. Which would lessen the bombs damage, even if only by a fraction.
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There are many stories of heroic solders in Iraq and Afghanistan saving comrades by jumping on grenades.
 
for many reasons mine are as followed

- They have stopped me repeatedly whilst driving safety, without reason? (is that their job)
- They have never recovered anything that was stolen from me, even when I informed them who stole it.
- They are not present at many of the worst crime ridden areas, and are not a presence on the streets where I live.
- The times I have seen them called they have taken a unreasonably long time to turn up.

Then there are the slightly less credible annoyances, like if your caught doing 35 in a 30 instead of a warning and a slap on the wrist you get a 60quid fine and points, where if give someone a two black eyes and thick lip, you get a comfy night in a cell and let out in the morning?

I dont hate them as such, I just feel that they do the wrong job, and that their force is applied by the wrong people on the wrong areas.
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ChroniC said:
for many reasons mine are as followed

- They have stopped me repeatedly whilst driving safety, without reason? (is that their job)
- They have never recovered anything that was stolen from me, even when I informed them who stole it.
- They are not present at many of the worst crime ridden areas, and are not a presence on the streets where I live.
- The times I have seen them called they have taken a unreasonably long time to turn up.

I dont hate them as such, I just feel that they do the wrong job, and that their force is applied by the wrong people on the wrong areas.
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they are only after Motorists money!
 
vonhelmet said:
Nothing implausible about that.
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Aye, a bomb blast can only travel so far, and flesh is fairly good at stopping small fragments.
IIRC on one of the underground trains that was packed, less people were badly hurt than on one of the ones that wasn't so packed, because the people around the bomber in the first instance basically acted as an inadvertent shield for the ones a bit further away.

I believe a solder won one of the big bravery awards last year for doing effectively the same thing, he threw himself on a grenade to protect his squad mates - he walked away with minor injuries from memory, because he was wearing body armour and went down on the grenade so that his back pack was between him and the grenade (so his backpack and armour absorbed much of the blast).

I never knew that about the officers in the de Menezes, and it does cast a very different light than what the Papers were trying to say. To me it says that the officers might have been mis directed, might have had bad intelligence, but were extremely brave despite how things worked out. If de Menezes had turned out to be a bomber, they would probably have been killed.
 
Because they know the police/courts make mistakes and put innocent people in prison
Because they fear people who have power over them (and fear leads to hate)
Because it is twisted that we pay (through tax) the wages of people who then bully us
Because police are the lower orders of society and often not very bright
Because if you can't pay your tax bill the police will come and take you away
Because they use violence and the threat of violence to control you (and yes being forced into the back of a van is a violent act)
Because when you ring them to report a crime they are rude and unhelpful
Because recently they are trying to copy the american model and act aggressively as a pathetic show of strength
Because after a few years most policemen wise up and realise their mistake but get trapped in a stressful and low paying job
Because they are anonymous and their identities and home addresses are secret
Because many of them look so weird
Because they spend a lot of time with criminal scum and it rubs off on them
Because every police station in the country has full riot control capability
Because riot police deliberately provoke violence
Because the police will "do as they're told" even when it is wrong

Saying all that I never had a problem with the police - they always treated me OK
once they gave me a light beating but I kind of deserved it
 
buzzlightweight said:
they are only after Motorists money!
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If only...:)


I suspect the reason why there are so many examples of speeding, is because
1: It's a crime that can be detected, proven, and dealt with extremely quickly, and with a huge amount of automation (a single officer, or civilian employed by the police can deal with hundreds of speeding fines in time that it might take a couple of officers to books someone in for another offence - so even if the number of officers actively going after speeders has gone done, the number caught will have gone up massively).
2: It's the crime that most people tend to do, and get caught doing for the reason shown in 1.

The silly thing is, that in part it's the "accountability" of the police that means that many officers who do pull people over for minor speeding, are I suspect more likely to actually issue a ticket these days rather than just a word of warning (to avoid any allegations of bribery/favouritism etc).

If the police could automate catching burglars, rapists or muggers to the degree that they can speeding, I suspect we'd see a lot better detection/convection rates on those offences as well, but as it stands they can't, so it still requires a lot of man hours to do (and from all accounts I've heard, the Labour government may have spent more on the Police, but it's largely gone into roles that had to be created to meet the requirement to show that they were doing the job/treating everyone* with respect, and not throwing grannies down the stairs).


*Even Joe Chav who repeatedly beats Sharon, and spits on the polce whilst resisting arrest for being D&D.
 
FireShadow said:
Because it is twisted that we pay (through tax) the wages of people who then bully us
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One great thing about being a special is that you have the best comeback for this one "Err, no you don't"

FireShadow said:
Because police are the lower orders of society and often not very bright
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I know several police officers who are degree educated.

FireShadow said:
Because many of them look so weird
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Von Smaulhausen isn't representative of all officers you know :rolleyes::p
 
Von Smallhausen said:
The media either do not know, do not care or find it convenient to omit that the officers who followed Mr de Menezes onto the train did indeed pile on top of him ....... in order to absorb as much of the blast as possible, believing him to be a suicide bomber and knowing it would have killed them as well.
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It should have been the officer higher up the chain who answered, but she got off, scott-free, nothing to answer. I don't actually see this as a police failing, more a failing of the criminal justice system, it isn't up to the police to prosecute, its up to the CPS.

I also wonder at your reasoning for them piling on top of him. You don't know that was their reason. That what they've said. It could equally be that one piled on top of him to hold him still so he couldn't reach a detonator while the other shot him in the head over and over and over.
Either way, they murdered an innocent man, doesn't matter what they thought at the time, thats the result of their actions.

Doesn't make me think any less of the police force in general, I have my views, and my views on what they do well, and what they do badly. I can't personally say any police officer I have encountered has ever done anything inappropriate or wrong, but additionally I doubt they will solve the occasional crime I have had course to report. Reported the crimes none-the-less.
 
vonhelmet said:
You do realise that those things are still crimes, yeah?
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Yes, and I feel that the 12 hours I was detained for was a thoroughly worthwhile use of my time and the time of the custody sergeant, arresting officer, interviewing officer and forensics specialists who took my DNA and searched my house. It's great to know that while people are being stabbed to death in our streets, the police are going after the real criminals... regardless of whether there's any evidence or any reason to arrest someone in the first place.
 
eatcustard said:
Only Chavs and such, dont like the Police
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Im not a chav by any means and I don't like them from experience. Living on a farm which has been targeted by ****** on a few occasions. The police just dont care unless they are checking MOTs etc. We had quads stolen, threats made, sprayers/JCB stolen.

They dont even turn up, just ask about insurance and give us a crime number. We even found some of our equipment in a local camp.

They are scared to tackle real criminals, half of them are fresh faced youngsters too scared to make a decision or fat overweight lumps acting the big one in front of someone they caught speeding.
 
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