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ATI or NVIDIA? Which is Better?

OK its current gen, that makes the Evergreen architecture last generation then whatever.

Aside from advanced eyefinity configurations (and thats an output stage thing and not really related to the core technology) what features do AMD have that nvidia hasn't implemented?
 
For what its worth:
I too was an nVidia stalwart, however on the release of BC2 and its DirectX 11 I decided to see what ATI could offer as the Fermi launch kept being put back. After much research and heart rendering guilt, I went for 2 VaporX 5870s. I must say I was, and am very very pleased with their performance, and cool and quiet running.
It does very much depend what your needs are, but if its gameing mainly and you want to ramp everything up to max, and not have hot noisey cards intruding on the enjoyment of top quality "eye candy", these are what I would recommend at the moment. :)
 
Rroff said:
OK its current gen, that makes the Evergreen architecture last generation then whatever.
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They're both current gen, stop pretending they're not. :confused: Who cares what internal generations nVidia have been making, if they weren't marketed, they don't matter. Fermi isn't "next gen" it's current gen. What ever comes from nVidia after Fermi is next gen. I really don't understand why you're doing this again, as if it matters in some way.


Aside from advanced eyefinity configurations (and thats an output stage thing and not really related to the core technology) what features do AMD have that nvidia hasn't implemented?
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I belive this is what Ejizz asked you... Trying to get out of a direct question again? Surely not...
 
Was obvious this thread would decend.

To the OP what resolution do you game at and what are your most played games?

Also do you have any other requirements for the card like hd audio over hdmi or folding for example?
 
It clearly must matter judging by how upset some people get about it. The only aspect in that they are the same generation is the DX version support - which is what matters most granted however as I said at a technical level Fermi is a generation ahead of Evergreen and more closely the same generation architecture as the coming 6 series.
 
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JeffyB said:
Was obvious this thread would decend.
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To be fair we need something to argue about until the 6000 series comes along so we might as well do this age old debate.

I believe the argument put forward about Fermi being a generation ahead of Evergreen is to do with the fact that Evergreen is a simple evolution of a previous design whereas Fermi was designed from the ground up.

What is debateable is Nvidia’s future in this business, with decent GPU’s being integrated onto CPU’s this will surely have an impact on low and mid range sales leaving just the high end to make revenue on. There is even speculation that Nvidia might get bought out by Oracle (who are also looking at AIM) but I can’t see this happening unless Oracle want to get in GPGPU seriously.
 
Rroff said:
OK its current gen, that makes the Evergreen architecture last generation then whatever.
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Rroff, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you here, can you really not see the error in your logic.

Rroff said:
Aside from advanced eyefinity configurations (and thats an output stage thing and not really related to the core technology) what features do AMD have that nvidia hasn't implemented?
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AMD implements the latest gaming features in hardware...

Nvidia moved to a more software based function architecture as opposed to a fixed function hardware architecture.
While the software based approach is more flexible and good for things like compute etc. in the realm of gaming however it is like a fat overweight Pornstar auditioning for a part, and saying "Pick me, pick me, I'm really good at sums".

With gaming, what it really boils down to, is that solving problems in software is much less efficient than using fixed function hardware like AMD is doing.

As an example of efficiency gains of fixed function hardware, look at Intels Sandy Bridge doing video decoding, it's a long tedious job with current CPU's doing it in software, however with SB's hardware based decoder it's done much much faster...

 
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Ejizz said:
With gaming, what it really boils down to, is that solving problems in software is much less efficient than using fixed function hardware like AMD is doing.
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That perfectly explains why the 5870 performs so much better in just about every game... oh wait...

Fixed function hardware is very very last generation, theres increasingly fewer cases where it is an advantage any more.
 
Rroff said:
That perfectly explains why the 5870 performs so much better in just about every game... oh wait...

Fixed function hardware is very very last generation, theres increasingly fewer cases where it is an advantage any more.
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:confused: Really? It's paintfully clear that Evergreen is more efficient than Fermi, do I need to point out the size differences again?
 
So its more efficent for the die size... I can't remember the last time anyone actually cared that their 40fps was more "efficent" than someone elses 40fps.
 
Rroff said:
So its more efficent for the die size... I can't remember the last time anyone actually cared that their 40fps was more "efficent" than someone elses 40fps.
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IMHO, your beginning to sound like sour grapes now Rroff, just look at GF106 Vs Juniper.

You do realise that this Fermi generation has been a catastrophic failure for Nvidia on many levels don't you Rroff?

Imagine what this 'Next Gen Fermi' GTX480 will look like, when it goes against the even more efficient and larger "Previous Gen" 69/870 (I hope I got the 'gen's right, I can't work out if it's previous gen, current or next gen with your logic Rroff).
 
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IMHO, your beginning to sound like sour grapes now Rroff, just look at GF106 Vs Juniper.

You do realise that this Fermi generation has been a catastrophic failure for Nvidia on many levels don't you Rroff?
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What has that got to do with anything? we were talking about which core was what generation?
 
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Fixed function hardware is very very last generation, theres increasingly fewer cases where it is an advantage any more.
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No, it's just Nvidia went for a more GPGPU architecture as a knee-jerk response to larrabee/Knights ferry.

I think it's widely accepted that fixed function hardware is simply much more efficient Rroff so why are you trying to argue against it, clearly there is still and advantage other wise Fermi wouldn't suck as an architecture.
 
Ejizz said:
No, it's just Nvidia went for a more GPGPU architecture as a knee-jerk response to larrabee/Knights ferry.

I think it's widely accepted that fixed function hardware is simply much more efficient Rroff so why are you trying to argue against it, clearly there is still and advantage other wise Fermi wouldn't suck as an architecture.
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He is ignoring the obvious flaw with the size of the core.
If parts were cut down to fit the same size core as ATI's the performance would be drastically cut for gaming.
 
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