Are those old people buggies actually allowed on the road?

i have hit one of these at about 20mph in a bus lol. crazy old git was riding along the path and turned 90 degrees straight into the road to cross over. the bus pushed him sideways about 10-15 foot down the road before stopping and throwing him out sideways onto the road along with 2 dogs and shopping out of his basket.

i still (and am right now) chuckle to myself about it all and luckily i had a bus full of witnesses and cctv on the bus. the look on his face as he realised a 10 tonne bus had hit him will stay on my mind and amuse me forever.

last i heard he was trying to sue the bus company for damages or something along them lines.
 
I just entered a 30 zone after coming in from a NSL and saw someone on one of those electric buggies going out of the 30 and into the NSL road (that doesn't have a pavement on it). This isn't a nice open straight road either - it is bumpy/off camber, has blind corners and dips then leads up a hill to a busy crossroad at the top.

I thought about actually phoning the Police or something as he is going to cause issues for other drivers, but wasn't sure whether these are allowed on the road or not..?

nope, they do not have a licence plate, road tax and insurance, if there caught they should be fined :D
 
we always have one who drives in the middle of the lane during rush hour so nobody can overtake them.
i really can't see how these are legal, no tax, no number plate, no nothing.
i'd hate to have an accident with one of these ***ts!
 
When I was going on a day trip with my daughter we were going along a country lane that was wide enough for 2 cars most of the way. I came round a blind corner around 40mph to find some oap on one of these death traps right in the middle of the road almost stationary. Suffice to say I had to do an emergency stop. I pulled up along side the man and asked him just what the hell he was doing in the middle of the road, and told him he was lucky to be alive! at this point my 6 year old daughter shouts from the back seat "you crazy old man!"
He couldn't see he had done anything wrong either, regardless of the fact he was in the middle of the road i'd have to have been doing 15mph (60mph limit) to safely brake and wait for him to decide where he was going.
A few old people really shouldn't be on the roads in cars, most of these motorised scooters shouldn't be on the road at all, espeically on an NSL country road.
The fact that a 6 year old knows better than to walk/cycle in the middle of the road says it all. Legal issuses aside, they should have to sit some kind of test for each individual before they can use one on a public highway, and they should also still be able to be charged with "driving without due care and attention" etc etc.
 
I reckon you should need insurance to take any vehicle on the road, be it a bike or a mobility scooter.

Once saw an old lady taking one round a roundabout. She looked absolutely terrified.
 
i'm all ranted out after the cyclist thread lol

imo if you cant do the speed limit you shouldn't be on the road.
 
that rules out quiet a lot of car drivers too :p

sounds good to me :eek:

i also think the upper age limit should be reduced to whatever the average age of people is minus 17 years to keep all of those useless blind idiots off the road that have to look through the gap in the stearing wheel

80 year old can barely see, here, walk, or breathe i dont know who stupid idea that was

i bet i could have 5 pints of LCL (maybe not LCL) and still have better reactions that half tyhe old folk out there
 
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When I was going on a day trip with my daughter we were going along a country lane that was wide enough for 2 cars most of the way. I came round a blind corner around 40mph to find some oap on one of these death traps right in the middle of the road almost stationary. Suffice to say I had to do an emergency stop.

What would you have done if instead of a codgerbuggy it was a broken down car?
 
What would you have done if instead of a codgerbuggy it was a broken down car?

Or a horse/Deer/Bike that had crashed, large pothole, tree (or large branch)...
I vaguely remember my instructor (many moons ago) mentioning driving at a speed in which I could stop if something unexpected was in the road ahead, and that the limit didn't mean I had to drive at it if the conditions didn't allow for me to do it safely (including being unable to see far enough ahead to stop if there was something in the road).


I'm all for the scooters requiring mandatory tuition and insurance, but they are legal for road use if they have lights and reflectors, same as bikes - although minimum speed restrictions do apply to them (if a road requires vehicles to be able to reach a minimum speed for example).

Knowing how much some users do rely on them, I certainly wouldn't want to ban them, just try and get the users to know a bit more about them before using them (I don't think they are any worse than cyclists, motor bikes or car drivers in terms of stupidity levels, and at least their top speed is such that they are unlikely to cause serious injury to pedestrians).
I wouldn't even want a ban of their use in shops, as long as the user is sensible most large stores are big enough to safely manoeuvre a Class 2 with ease, and even many class 3's (they aren't much/any wider than things like wheelchairs or shopping trolleys and can turn in the same sort of space).

Re overtaking them... They are at most about 6inches wider than the average bike + rider, as they are governed by exactly the same thing that governs the width of most bikes - how wide the riders bum is:)
At most a mobility scooter will tend to be 60-75cm (2-2.5 foot) wide all in*, as they are designed to fit through the average house (or shed) door, so if used sensibly you shouldn't need any more room to overtake than a push pike.

There are a lot of them round here, but only one causes any problems on the road (an idiot who has been knocked off at least once), and maybe a couple on the pavements - although it's more common (from what I've seen) for people to step in front of them without looking (or step back into the path of them), than for the rider to be at fault.

The problem in some areas is simply that whilst their may be roads (NSL) connecting say a small village or houses with shops, there may not be any pavement, and whilst humans can usually manage the verge on foot, the scooters can't (let alone if the person was in a wheel chair), which leaves them in the situation that they can either use the scooter on the road, or potentially get stuck at home all day.

When I'm driving I have much more trouble with pedestrians and cyclists than scooter users:)
Cyclists because they have a tendency to pop on and off the pavement with little or no notice (something scooters simply cannot do), and pedestrians because they do much the same thing, and those with buggies seem to forget when they wait to cross that they've got a buggy stuck out in front of them:p

Having said all that, I don't agree much with the policies of some shops that have "loan" scooters, as IIRC they are often both larger than standard**, and the stores tend not (AFAIK) to have any way of telling if the user has ever ridden one before (it can take a few minutes to get used to the different handling on various models even if you've used one before), which makes me much more wary of them than I am of normal scooter users.
Proper "shop mobility" schemes do I believe require the user to register, and have them demonstrated (and tend to use more normal scooters often supplied locally).


As I say, better training and insurance for them would probably go a long way to solving many of the issues with the scooters, and some more understanding and patience from drivers would possibly solve other problems.



*Any less than about 50cm wide and you won't fit an average sized person on them without overhanging arms and shoulders (iirc airline economy seats are about 18" wide), and has serious stability issues. Out of the various models i've seen and my mum has used most have been max 60cm wide (including the class 3 that she found she didn't like).

**The ones at my local Morrisons and B&Q are large (compared to normal ones), 3 wheel based designs, high manoeuvrability but relatively unstable, and much heavier build.
 
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