2009.5 Mondeo v 2010 Focus
- Thread starter Rainmaker
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Exactly, you haven't been ripped off, you haven't bought a shed, you've not got yourself into a horrendous finance deal.... So what.
Some people really struggle with the concept that people have different standards and expectations. What might be a rough crud old engine to one person might be perfectly acceptable for another,
In your situation, you've made the right choice by going for the car which suits your physical needs better at the expense of a better engine. If you don't need the power, aren't put off by the noise and what's under the bonnet moves the car without struggling or exploding.... Who cares? Who cares if the gearstick wobbles a bit or what date the engine originally entered production? Stuff like that is simply irrelevant
Some people really struggle with the concept that people have different standards and expectations. What might be a rough crud old engine to one person might be perfectly acceptable for another,
In your situation, you've made the right choice by going for the car which suits your physical needs better at the expense of a better engine. If you don't need the power, aren't put off by the noise and what's under the bonnet moves the car without struggling or exploding.... Who cares? Who cares if the gearstick wobbles a bit or what date the engine originally entered production? Stuff like that is simply irrelevant
Precisely iaind. To be honest, I actually literally love the noise from the PD unit. It's lovely! As I said, I'm a proper derv head, and the PD really 'has it' for me. People always say diesels are 'better' now, 'more refined'... Wut? I WANT to hear the engine chugging away, dragging me along the motorway - I like that noise. 
No, it's a five gear box but being honest I really don't see how they'd have put a sixth cog on there. I mean, why would they? For example, on the motorway earlier:
60mph or so running up the approach to the slip, 4th gear: ~1,500rpm
55mph cruising the (long) slip road waiting for a gap, 5th gear: 1,400rpm
70mph in the nearside lane, 5th gear: 1,900rpm
85mph overtaking an LGV, 5th gear: 2,200rpm
When on earth would you change up to 6th? 100mph? I know the gearing would be different in a 6 cog box, but it really isn't necessary on this car. The engine was very quiet too, due to the decent soundproofing, so again no real need.
EDIT: Don't forget this is the 'Greenline' economical spec of the range. Basically longer gearing, 15mm lower than standard, low resistance tyres, and a lot of weight saving (including no spare wheel, just a tyre repair kit). The car is lighter than your average Superb, perhaps that's why the 1.9 TDI PD seems to suit it so well? Maybe I'd have thought differently if I'd tried it in a 'normal' Superb at full weight? I did have four passengers though, to ensure it didn't struggle under load. It also gives it almost 60mpg COMBINED.
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I think the point here is that this is 2010 and this is a brand new car - infact, a brand new very good car.
However the 1.9 TDI PD engine is an engine which first saw service in 1998. 12 years ago. Just think how far diesel technology has come in the last 12 years - this is not a modern engine, it is not a refined engine.
It shouldnt really still be available - it's only there because it's ultra cheap and they can stick it in cars where the owners pick based on price and nothing else. It's an engine VW themselves replaced as a front line engine 6 years ago!
It shouldnt be available in brand new cars anymore let alone cars as good as the Superb. It's nothing to do with standards - its just rubbish!
[TW]Fox;17559920 said:
So what about dates, relative position in the range etc etc. It's adequate. I couldn't give a toss if it was manufactured in 1400bc, if it's quiet enough and nice enough to drive then it's fine by me.
It's not a great engine, I'd struggle to call it a good engine - but adequacy is all some people want or need. As I said above, the same engine carried 4 people from Exeter to Southampton and back, I was perfectly comfortable and happy driving it and it returned very good economy for that sort of drive.
The OP obviously didn't see the benefit in paying extra for the better engine, I suspect a lot of other people are similar.
Again, it comes back to what was said above. I'm very happy with the engine, especially as a self-confessed diesel lover, and prefer the noise rather than 'no noise'. What 'refinements' can a newer engine deliver?
Quieter? Don't care. Actually prefer the noise.
Faster? Maybe, but that wasn't an issue.
More economical? Hardly. This engine is delivering almost 60mpg COMBINED (75+mpg on a run) in the Greenline Superb.
What refinements am I actually missing for paying less money??
Quieter? Don't care. Actually prefer the noise.
Faster? Maybe, but that wasn't an issue.
More economical? Hardly. This engine is delivering almost 60mpg COMBINED (75+mpg on a run) in the Greenline Superb.
What refinements am I actually missing for paying less money??
Definitely a new thread there, but in a nutshell... Virtually unable to walk, or cannot walk. Often bedbound and/or housebound. Needing care from others (but not essential as there are two components to the benefit)... and so on. It's not something you tend to get with a 'dodgy back honest guv', if that's what you're asking, though I daresay it's possible.
I needed two medicals from DWP doctors, two medical reports from my own doctor and consultant, and a social workers' assessment. DLA isn't something they "just give out". My mum's severely 'crippled' with degenerative joints, arthritis etc and can't even stand up straight. She can only walk a few steps, but DLA say tough - she can walk so she's not qualified. That should give you some idea.
POWAAAH
The ability to tell the Internet your engine was introduced in 2004 rather than much earlier
Pub bragging rights over the other 35 bhp
Erm... Not sure in this case
POWAAAH
The ability to tell the Internet your engine was introduced in 2004 rather than much earlier
Pub bragging rights over the other 35 bhp
Erm... Not sure in this case
My point exactly.
It is also fitted to car a which costs £18,000.
I thought I was debating engines with somebody with at least a bit of clue. It's nothing to do with telling the internet anything - it's to do with technology. There are smoother, more economical, more refined and just plain better engines in this market now and there have been for years. You wouldnt buy a car with Fords ancient 1.3 OHC engine in it, would you? No.
It is an unrefined, noisy diesel engine with just 105bhp fitted to a car the size and weight of a 5 Series. It exists purely for the company car market where its low P11D value and CO2 figure means cheap tax. With it being so woefully underpowered (I appreciate not everyone wants performance - heck this no performance car but come on, 66bhp/tonne?!) it'll probably not even be that economical either, as it needs to be worked hard. It's economical on paper but thats all that matters for its target market. You wont get 60mpg combined out of it I wouldnt imagine!
This isnt my diesel hatred showing through - this engine is just rubbish! And it hurts all the more because the Superb is the best car Skoda has ever made. It's almost a luxury car in some trim levels its that good. It's like painting a masterpeice and then smearing a giant turd on it. Such a shame.
[TW]Fox;17560051 said:
Fox, I respect your opinion but did you even READ my posts?
The Greenline Superb with this engine is sitting at under 2,000rpm at 75mph. That's not an engine working hard, quite the opposite.
The Greenline Superb with this engine gets well over 70mpg on a run. Bad economy?
I love diesel noise. Clatter, clatter, clatter...
'Refined' is a bad thing! You have to like diesel to get it I suppose.EDIT: Also, as above, the Greenline is very much weight reduced, lower profile etc. You can't compare it to the 'normal' Superb.
Yes there are better engines available but what if this one is smooth enough, economical enough and refined enough for the op? The next engine up would be the 2.0 140 which really isn't that different in the real world.
I can't comment on how the engine fares in the superb, but I've experienced it in a few cars and never once had to work them hard
I can't comment on how the engine fares in the superb, but I've experienced it in a few cars and never once had to work them hard
First you have to get it to 70mph..
On paper. Now go and get that in the real world, because you won't. I've done long trips in numerous Efficient Dynamics BMW diesels with the absolute latest in fuel saving tech all of which claimed bonkers figures on a run none of which got anywhere near.
I love diesel noise. Clatter, clatter, clatter...
Save your contribution and get a Fabia then - the whole point in the Superb is that its a brilliantly refined comfortable car.
No its not! It's actually HEAVIER than the base Superb. It's not some sort of super lightweight special.
Because I hate to see people being sold crap without realising and the 1.9 TDI PD engine is crap. Just because he doesnt realise its crap doesnt make it any better. VW keep doing stuff like this - they take advantage of people who know no better and palm off substandard junk.
Reminds me of the Mk4 Golf Cabrio where they basically put new lights on a Mk3, pretended it was a Mk4...
I note with happiness from the Skoda website, though, that they seem to have finally binned the 1.9 TDI from the range. At last!
The thing is, he knows exactly what he's getting, so what's the problem?
So what's it's not as refined as some of the more expensive superbs, he still benefits from the comfort, space, equipment etc etc etc.
You keep talking like you need to thrash the nuts off them to get anywhere, I really don't think that's the case
So what's it's not as refined as some of the more expensive superbs, he still benefits from the comfort, space, equipment etc etc etc.
You keep talking like you need to thrash the nuts off them to get anywhere, I really don't think that's the case