Martial arts for self-defence for rookies - the experts need to be more frank I think.

Using it to subdue someone? While someone calls the police?

BTW That move in the is completely legal for MMA.
 
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hurfdurf said:
Trap sprung bro. Yes Bas Rutten did Kyokushin and TKD but he regrets doing both before he became more educated and learnt how useless they were! Exactly the same as UFC commentator Joe Rogan, did TKD but regrets it heavily now he knows more about actual fighting and started BJJ!



You are teaching your kids they can fight when they clearly can't. The instructor is a joke and handing out a brown belt to a 9 year old for doing some pretty kata dancing. It is liable to have your kid think he can defend him self only to encounter real violence and actual physical attack and be destroyed for it because all he is prepared for is the silly nonsense demonstrations and slow motion scenarios played out in his Dojo. If a 9 year old and 15 year old kid are at brown belt, is that not telling you something as to how much said brown belt from the instructor actually means?! Who have your children fought to demonstrate their level of skill? (I am guessing neither have had an actual fight/match?)



Simple question that disputes Kung Fu and its effectiveness Vs other striking styles. Where are these amazing techniques in the K1 GP? (answer: No where because they are not very good compared to kick boxing/Muay Thai)



Why are the people who started out there abandoning these styles for other more effective proven styles then, and bad mouthing them afterwards once they have experienced Martial Arts that actually work or work much much more effectively? (see earlier in this post, Bas Rutten and Joe Rogan, just off the top of my head)

Why are there no MMA or K1 fighters coming out of Kung Fu dojo's or Aikido work shops? (because they are terrible fighting systems!)



Exactly, you are better off doing Ballet than silly Kata's and having your opponents come at you in slow motion or at half force so no one gets hurt.

- look at 2:24 in this video, this girl is being taught that her kicks are so devastating that she can use them to defend herself, when in reality those guys are throwing themselves on the floor without even really being touched! This is 90% of martial arts. Do something real that involves real fighting or you are getting scammed.
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You are still avoiding the point I am making. MMA has taken the styles learned in Kung Fu, Aikido, etc. and integrated them with parts from other styles. Its very name of Mixed Martial Arts tells us this, never mind that we can physically SEE that MMA fighters are using techniques taught by them in real matches. But just to satisfy your fickle mind, no they did not learn them in a Kung fu dojo, they learnt them in an MMA dojo. But lets just ignore that MMA takes everything from every other style and carry on thinking it is an entirely independent style with a contradicting name, shall we?
 
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Lol lets be fair mma fights resemble real life fights in no way what so ever when was the last time you saw two people spraling on the floor getting someone in a ARM bar

Boxing is the most like real life as what you do in real life is punch

If I was doing stuff for self defence I would do boxing along with a Marshall art so you know how to both punch and kick/knee/ disarm

Anyways I thought krav maga was meant to be the mutts nutts
 
i've been doing mma for a few months now and have a background in kick boxing my mma coaches have given the go ahead to have my first cage fight in dec. The only reason i say this is that we go pretty hard at our gym and we do randomly hit each other to catch ppl of guard.this isnt to be mean its a case of getting your mind right and use to taking an unexpected punch and being able to focus straight away and not panic so you can then defend from any more coming behind the first, even the best fighter can get sucker punched what martial arts i find teaches you is to be conditioned to take it recover and take control of the situation imo.
 
All I will say in this is that a great deal of martial arts are sport based and centred on a set of rules that you expect your opponent to adhere to. In MMA there are also a set of rules, generally no Gi and some sort of boundary and a 1 vs 1 match-up. In a self-defence situation these rules are removed so your reliance on their protection is false.

Therefore, TMA and MMA are not directly applicable to pure-self defence. Yes a great MMA wrestler might be able to push you against a wall - so what chew his nose or ear off - yes a great BJJ practitioner might be good on the ground but when 5 of your mates stick the boot in his submission attempts are going to be somewhat diminished. TMA and MMA will however give you increased fitness, perception and confidence just make sure they don't give you too much confidence. My advice do MMA if you love it do Wing-Chun if you love it - keep you ears and eyes open when around and about cross the street if you have to, don't stare at the local gang-leader's girlfriend and if you feel someone is about to engage you physically run Forest run.
 
Ive trained shotokan, shotokai, ju-jitsu and muay thai, done a little boxing as well, i used to be a doorman. All of those things taught me one thing when it comes to self defence, and my dad told me this but it took me years of training to come the same conclusion when it comes to self defence. If he cant breath he cant fight, if he cant see he cant fight and if he cant walk he cant fight. But the best self defence RUN!!! Only an idiot gets into a real fight when it can be avoided.
Martial arts is not just about self defence once you start doing them there is also a spirituality that is involved, getting zoned in on the task in hand.
If you want a martial that most fits in with real life self defence you need to do several, a grappling art for when you are on the floor, a close up fighting art for when you are being attacked and an art that includes some form of Kata so you can ingrain these into mind and a response can be gained that is instinctual. Most of all find a martial art that fits in with you, not a martial art you have to fit into.
 
Thesaff said:
Martial arts is not just about self defence once you start doing them there is also a spirituality that is involved, getting zoned in on the task in hand.
If you want a martial that most fits in with real life self defence you need to do several, a grappling art for when you are on the floor, a close up fighting art for when you are being attacked and an art that includes some form of Kata so you can ingrain these into mind and a response can be gained that is instinctual. Most of all find a martial art that fits in with you, not a martial art you have to fit into.
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Good post dude :)
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
Again this is going off topic. I don't see how joint manipulation or any form of ground fighting is relevant to street self defence.
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Because pretty much all fights between ppl who know what they're doing end up on the floor. Unless someone gets a lucky punch and knocks the other straight out /o\
 
I think learning one style of MA is not enough and learning or a working knowledge of another is good. For me its Wing Chun Kung Fu and Judo, and it works well for me.
I even had an insight into Chinse Boxing an instructor had started up. Which was a mix of different Chinse MA. There was some very useful stuff in those classes ! !
So MMA is a good base to learn hopefully the best of most other MA.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
I'm sure that will work really well for you when his mates turn up. Seriously come on, think about what you're saying.
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It's obviously dependant on the situation. i'm not advising this is the be all and end all of street defence am I.

Not ALL fights on the street are mutiples vs 1.
 
dmpoole said:
But how many times have you dealt with a proper knife wielding attack where it isn't a preset controlled swing at you in a Dojo?
I'm not saying your training is useless but just not real world.
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We did this in the style of kung fu i used to do. the attacker used a wooden (dummy) knife.

I disabled him, but got stabbed and cut about 5 times. The knife was just too quick

Speaking about styles. I found that the kicks in kung fu worked very well in MMA.
 
hurfdurf said:
If these dudes have such amazing systems and real world combat experience and techniques that work, why aren't we seeing them in the UFC or other MMA competitions or events? (hint: we did, during UFC 1, they all got their asses kicked by real fighters)
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Which dudes are you referring to here? :confused:
 
englishpremier said:
We did this in the style of kung fu i used to do. the attacker used a wooden (dummy) knife.

I disabled him, but got stabbed and cut about 5 times. The knife was just too quick

Speaking about styles. I found that the kicks in kung fu worked very well in MMA.
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Trumped by the superior striking of muay thai/kick boxing, much more power can be generated from those kicks.

Illusion said:
Which dudes are you referring to here? :confused:
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Karate,Judo .etc grand masters or whatever I guess.
 
crunchman said:
Trumped by the superior striking of muay thai/kick boxing, much more power can be generated from those kicks.



Karate,Judo .etc grand masters or whatever I guess.
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Not so sure about that. Our roundhouse is hit with the shin, swinging the leg like a baseball bat, the setup is extremely similar to Mauy Thai, in all intents and purposes it's the same kick.

Front kick, is like the teep but rather than a push is a strike with the heel.

side kick, is well a side kick. Benny urquidez has proved side kicks do work.

I do understand what you are saying though.
 
To be honest its just as dependant on the individual dojo as it is the style that suits you. The worst for traditional martial arts are the 'we can grade you to black in 2 years - for this amount of money...', theres no way someone who had got to black belt training just twice a week for 2 years will be anything worth shouthing about, even if the slim chance theyve learnt all the techniques, it will most certainly not have become second nature and drilled into their reactions. Some of the worst blackbelts in anything ive seen have come from the clearly money orientated dojos whith too many students getting 0 1-1 time. Fine and dandy doing a kata (the most pointless thing ever... my opinion anyway) but in any situation whether it be competition or a real scenario, they will get hurt.

Any reason for the MMA competitions being used as a comparision for a real life knife attack or any real scenario etc, In a ring, fully trained, warmed up and prepared against similar and well trained oponent in a martial arts style you know and have been trained for vs in a street with some mental with a knife or any such scenario. Its fine talking about its positives if youve actually tried it but just watching a competition on TV doesnt really give a good idea of it. Being able to take a hit is very important indeed because its pretty much inevitable if you get into that scenario but doing a martial art when this happens week in week out will work the opposite to this eventually, full contact spar every now and then but if you are doing it every week then eventually it will just cause more harm than good.

Join a running class and do some sprint work, all you need in a street fight xD
 
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englishpremier said:
Not so sure about that. Our roundhouse is hit with the shin, swinging the leg like a baseball bat, the setup is extremely similar to Mauy Thai, in all intents and purposes it's the same kick.

Front kick, is like the teep but rather than a push is a strike with the heel.

side kick, is well a side kick. Benny urquidez has proved side kicks do work.

I do understand what you are saying though.
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I understand they are very similar, in fact I'm sire kickboxing evolved from a form of kung fu, I've no idea lol

The muay thai style is much more suited to getting in and out with minimal risk of takedown, highly guarded, very defensive stance .etc

I was just saying (and thankfully you took it the way I intended) muay thai is much more suited to just be used in mma straight away, whereas with kung fu you'd need to adapt it for the sport these days.

And yea those side kicks when delivered are utter beasts :p
 
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