Funding? Explain funding please. If there is NO limit in DATA TRAFFIC then why are they funding? they were paying X amount for Y bandwidth, not for Y bandwidth and Z data traffic.
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Funding? Explain funding please. If there is NO limit in DATA TRAFFIC then why are they funding? they were paying X amount for Y bandwidth, not for Y bandwidth and Z data traffic.
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Consider yourself lucky?
Your uni connection is for helping you study, anything else you should consider yourself lucky.
At the University of Salford in 2006 they had (i was told) a 4Gbit link onto JaNet.
Some approx 2000 students in halls (at the time it was limited to 1Mb, i believe now its 100Mb but with really well configured QoS)
So if everyone were to share 4Gbit equally, that's 2Mb each!
Don't forget your uni will be hosting many servers, VoIP, possibly even mirror services etc.
When i started uni we had 56Kbps dial up - in 2004 at a cost of £15/month, that was in halls.
Your uni connection is for helping you study, anything else you should consider yourself lucky.
At the University of Salford in 2006 they had (i was told) a 4Gbit link onto JaNet.
Some approx 2000 students in halls (at the time it was limited to 1Mb, i believe now its 100Mb but with really well configured QoS)
So if everyone were to share 4Gbit equally, that's 2Mb each!
Don't forget your uni will be hosting many servers, VoIP, possibly even mirror services etc.
When i started uni we had 56Kbps dial up - in 2004 at a cost of £15/month, that was in halls.
The university pays a) a fee to JANET based on it's size and b) a fee to a transit provider based on the capacity of the transit connection to the nearest JANET POP. The costs of both of these are not insignificant.
It's pretty obvious that the university has decided that it wants to use ITS connection for ITS use and wants to limit the impact of student activity on that connection.
It's pretty obvious that the university has decided that it wants to use ITS connection for ITS use and wants to limit the impact of student activity on that connection.
its not like i'm downloading more than they are limiting me per second. my line is limited to 10MB/s and that is what I am downloading. not 30MB/s like my line can handle, just the 10 i am being offered. From there on I can do what I want with that, it's not fair coming into my house and telling me what to do.
I live abroad and I want to see my friends and family through skype camera and I can't because I'm limited.
I live abroad with few friends and the weather won't allow me to go out much, I need to play some games. Oh wait a sec, I can't , uni server won't let me.
If the university could not handle the total amount of data moving, then they should lower the bandwidth to their liking but still not put limits on data etc.
I live abroad and I want to see my friends and family through skype camera and I can't because I'm limited.
I live abroad with few friends and the weather won't allow me to go out much, I need to play some games. Oh wait a sec, I can't , uni server won't let me.
If the university could not handle the total amount of data moving, then they should lower the bandwidth to their liking but still not put limits on data etc.
Well, then they shouldnt say on accommodation that a connection is included.
But since they do, and I pay for it, it's not THEIRS only, its mine too and its all of us staying in campus.
Its obvious they've got the infrastructure to handle the through put but that doesn't mean their happy for you to rape it 24/7, the same way you can sit downloading at full speed on a home connection until the ISP limits you due to going over the cap.
Their doing exactly what almost every other ISP in the country does get over it.
Their doing exactly what almost every other ISP in the country does get over it.
all I'm saying is I dont mind the torrent cap of data, just other things as well. Almost everything is limited except from webpages. It's not fair paying for something that you partially use. I've send them an email regarding this but their reply was pretty negative in every point. All I am asking is a way to redirect my data with some way so their system picks it up as ftp/http.
And btw, I know some people who have rapidshare etc and still download immense amounts, so not fair at all. They haven't solved all the problems, they just solved a part of them while limiting all traffic.
And btw, I know some people who have rapidshare etc and still download immense amounts, so not fair at all. They haven't solved all the problems, they just solved a part of them while limiting all traffic.
I can understand that. But they haven;t solved the problem. More and more people are turning to rapidshare and still abusing the connection while me and others who cannot afford it can't download nothing because if I do I lose functionality of everything like skype/steam/wow etc, while the others keep their 30gb just for that and download everything from http/ftp services.
Can you see my point? Not fair at all.
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I still can't think of a business case where students actually need access to more than email and HTTP(s) ?
Even if it is in with your accomodation its still effectively peanuts that you're paying, the university has to make a case to it's board to spend such a huge amount of money on an internet connection - and nothing apart from commercial interests and academic use is going to get through.
At some universities email and HTTP(s) is literally all you get - VPN'd, filterered and proxied to death so that there isn't a way of even using your own VPNs
Your line is high rate partially because thats just the way it works (probably ethernet) and partially because then you can have those speeds to internal sites and resources.
Even if it is in with your accomodation its still effectively peanuts that you're paying, the university has to make a case to it's board to spend such a huge amount of money on an internet connection - and nothing apart from commercial interests and academic use is going to get through.
At some universities email and HTTP(s) is literally all you get - VPN'd, filterered and proxied to death so that there isn't a way of even using your own VPNs
Your line is high rate partially because thats just the way it works (probably ethernet) and partially because then you can have those speeds to internal sites and resources.
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Whats more interesting is, what is the need for 30gb of p2p?
Whats more interesting is, what is the need for 30gb of p2p?
Skype with family and friends, playing games etc are not why the university provides an internet connection. To be honest 30GB P2P a month seems perfectly reasonable to me. The way you are talking you seem to think that you have a divine right to use a service provided by the university shared amongst thousands of users in any way you see fit.
Just count yourself lucky to have a JANET connection at all, my room in halls of residence didn't even have a phone socket, never mind ethernet.
Since the university, guarantees accommodation for over-seas students it should be COMMON SENSE that communication would be of some great importance.
Gaming on the other hand, might not be that important, but it is a factor that should be taken into account, especially when I cannot opt for a different ISP.
What the university is doing now is forcing people into file services like rapidshare and does not solve neither the copyright problem(which was the sole reason this thing started) nor the bandwidth/data traffic.
So me, and others who cannot afford such services, in the end are left without anymore data traffic due to the fact that I only have 30gb for EVERYTHING, while the rapidshare user has 30gb just for skype/gaming.
30GB isn't too bad, Skype is pretty light so 30GB aught to be enough for an hours video chat a day and your gaming needs, but yes considering there are workarounds and rapidshare, a flat cap that includes all external traffic would be fairer.
If you really need to get around it, there are plenty of fast VPN services around that'll connect over port 80, usually for less than a tenner a semester. I used your-freedom.net back in the day because although it wasn't blocked, something in the uni network screwed up latency in WoW for me whilst pretty much every other game ran perfectly with <7ms pings.
As a bonus with some services you get a few outside ports, so you can host publicly accessible servers from your dorm room and take advantage of the massive amount of upload bandwidth.
If you really need to get around it, there are plenty of fast VPN services around that'll connect over port 80, usually for less than a tenner a semester. I used your-freedom.net back in the day because although it wasn't blocked, something in the uni network screwed up latency in WoW for me whilst pretty much every other game ran perfectly with <7ms pings.
As a bonus with some services you get a few outside ports, so you can host publicly accessible servers from your dorm room and take advantage of the massive amount of upload bandwidth.
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You seem to think it is your right to hammer the universities connection for free / very little? You say the connection is included in your rent, so at a guess maybe £100 - £150 actually goes towards Internet over the year.
The university won't be paying a flat fee for UNLIMITED bandwidth as you seem to think, their costs (as mentioned further up) would likely include a leased line from your building back to a Point of Presence then transit costs from whoever provides them with the physical Internet connection.
Transit alone can cost £4 - £15+ per megabit per month depending on who it's from / the buying power of the company etc, on top of the ongoing cost of a leased line which could be another 15 - 20k per year...!
It's very possible that they are being charged more by their transit provider because they are going over certain limits due to customers like you downloading constantly, Universities may get things cheaper through Janet (I work for a private ISP so not sure what Uni's pay) but I know one thing, whatever you paid towards Internet gives you the right to use it however they decide they want you to.
I can understand why most people might not realise the costs involved, but seriously just because you have payed for an xxMbit/s connection does not give you the right to hammer it at 100% utilisation 24/7.
If you want 1:1 internet to hammer all day then give these guys a try (scroll down to their pricing near the bottom of that page):
http://www.ccsleeds.co.uk/uk-leased-lines.html
I've never heard of this company I just linked to their site because they have pricing information on there...
The funny thing is that it is rather easy to get around, but I certainly won't be making it any easier for you.
The university won't be paying a flat fee for UNLIMITED bandwidth as you seem to think, their costs (as mentioned further up) would likely include a leased line from your building back to a Point of Presence then transit costs from whoever provides them with the physical Internet connection.
Transit alone can cost £4 - £15+ per megabit per month depending on who it's from / the buying power of the company etc, on top of the ongoing cost of a leased line which could be another 15 - 20k per year...!
It's very possible that they are being charged more by their transit provider because they are going over certain limits due to customers like you downloading constantly, Universities may get things cheaper through Janet (I work for a private ISP so not sure what Uni's pay) but I know one thing, whatever you paid towards Internet gives you the right to use it however they decide they want you to.
I can understand why most people might not realise the costs involved, but seriously just because you have payed for an xxMbit/s connection does not give you the right to hammer it at 100% utilisation 24/7.
If you want 1:1 internet to hammer all day then give these guys a try (scroll down to their pricing near the bottom of that page):
http://www.ccsleeds.co.uk/uk-leased-lines.html
I've never heard of this company I just linked to their site because they have pricing information on there...
The funny thing is that it is rather easy to get around, but I certainly won't be making it any easier for you.
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Surprised this thread hasn't been deleted or locked yet like all the others that appear around September time with people asking "how to bypass XYZ restriction at my University".
My tuppence worth; if you did that sort of usage on some of the networks I've been involved with you wouldn't even be getting a cap or a warning we would have simply just disconnected you for the rest of the year and you would have a very, very hard time getting that decision revoked.
Again I'll just throw in my comment along the lines of the others that you really don't seem to appreciate how much these facilities cost to provide (aside from the actual connection there is likely hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of switches, routers, firewalls etc. to account for too).
And if you presented your case to the University in much the same way you have here I'm not surprised some sysadmin has just come back with a "very negative view" of your requests.
Maybe you should get together with some of your similarly minded friends and perhaps put together a sensible proposal / petition that shows there is a genuine demand for services such as Skype to be used in a legitimate manner that is greater than the University is allowing for?
Similarly if there are popular bits of software / patches for games etc. why not see if they would be prepared to set up a local mirror for that content?
Also FWIW I spent a year abroad studying, I wouldn't have dreamt of spending it 24/7 locked in my room on the internet, playing games and Skyping constantly to people back home... get outside, find new people and make new friends, perhaps take in some of the fine culture in this country that you're likely missing out on (though I notice you are in Lancaster so that might be a bit harder to find
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My tuppence worth; if you did that sort of usage on some of the networks I've been involved with you wouldn't even be getting a cap or a warning we would have simply just disconnected you for the rest of the year and you would have a very, very hard time getting that decision revoked.
Again I'll just throw in my comment along the lines of the others that you really don't seem to appreciate how much these facilities cost to provide (aside from the actual connection there is likely hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of switches, routers, firewalls etc. to account for too).
And if you presented your case to the University in much the same way you have here I'm not surprised some sysadmin has just come back with a "very negative view" of your requests.
Maybe you should get together with some of your similarly minded friends and perhaps put together a sensible proposal / petition that shows there is a genuine demand for services such as Skype to be used in a legitimate manner that is greater than the University is allowing for?
Similarly if there are popular bits of software / patches for games etc. why not see if they would be prepared to set up a local mirror for that content?
Also FWIW I spent a year abroad studying, I wouldn't have dreamt of spending it 24/7 locked in my room on the internet, playing games and Skyping constantly to people back home... get outside, find new people and make new friends, perhaps take in some of the fine culture in this country that you're likely missing out on (though I notice you are in Lancaster so that might be a bit harder to find
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The guy above has hit the nail on the head. I can't see how moderate gameplay would use up your usage allowance either. Like the other guy said, theres a company in the link that can help you out with all of your needs and wants
That makes no sense. It's the total amount of data people are downloading that they obviously have a problem with, not the speed at which they're doing it. You're using their connection on their terms, they have every right to tell you how you can and cannot use it.
The only annoyance I had at uni was that Steam wouldn't connect because, at least at the time, it wouldn't work with proxy servers. Somehow though, I survived through that horrendous ordeal...you just might too.
After seeing this thread develop, it seems like the OP has got a bit of an entitlement complex. The internet is there to help students study, above all else, and it's there fully paid for and managed by the university. You don't have any right to download whatever you want - it's their connection and thus they can dictate how you use it. If you don't like it, move into private rented accommodation.
Hell, I was happy enough with 1mb/s back when I was in halls.
Hell, I was happy enough with 1mb/s back when I was in halls.
again people missing the point.
the only thing this has managed to do is promote PAID services and not solve anything rather than cause more problems.
I fail to see how the implementation of a system like this solves problems.
People still download through PAID services.. Nothing is solved in terms of bandwidth, just more problems for people without extra money to spend on services.
the only thing this has managed to do is promote PAID services and not solve anything rather than cause more problems.
I fail to see how the implementation of a system like this solves problems.
People still download through PAID services.. Nothing is solved in terms of bandwidth, just more problems for people without extra money to spend on services.